Trouble is there are also two main ideologies going along with this split in economic view. One ideology automatically 'thinks' centralized preparation/planning is the key (see the above essay, as an example), while the other knows all the billions of individual human "CPUs" will have to laboriously and experimentally work out the needed aggregate solution piecemeal. Centralized preparation/planning hasn't exactly shown itself fitted for this sort work, after all -- see the last 70 or so years of increasing 'financialization' and the last 3 years of 'the COVID' as examples of what I am referring to.
Exactly right. These Club-Of-Rome Bankster Psychopaths and their Centralized Control Solutions, called ESG, Great Reset, UN Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, WHO treaty, etc, are all based on a Top-Down, One-Size-Fits-All, Centralized system of Governance. Talk about stuck in the 50s. These Grifters are Dinosaurs. It's all about networks now, not hierarchies. Hierarchies are unwieldy, inefficient and do not allow for experimentation and multiple paths to the optimal solutions. They are archaic. Just like the old goat, psychos who are trying to shove that down our throats.
Once again the same old crud "...conventional economics makes the illogical promise of ‘infinite growth on a finite planet..."
That is a just more Malthusian, DeGrowth propaganda from people who have no data so they rely on hand-waving arguments. Do these grifters even know what the word "infinite" means? If we expanded our population a trillion X and used a trillion X the resources, that's not infinite growth. In fact it is infinitely smaller than infinite growth.
The Truth, not Nonsense: Of course Growth is limited. And those limits are complicated and virtually all of them are temporary limits until technology or human interests change. The two most important factors are population on the demand side and energy on the supply side. They are overwhelmingly the most important constraints on growth.
Population: The latest and most accurate assessment of World population is it will peak @ 9.6B in 2064 and then fall to 8.9B in 2100. And that doesn't take into account the large increase in death rate since the Covid Plandemic.
Energy: We are running into a bottleneck on energy. First it will be oil. Followed in about 20-50yrs by gas. Followed by Coal in a similar period. Renewables, are a joke and not even remotely capable of replacing fossil. Far worse than a joke, they are a scam, and reek of an enforced DeGrowth Malthusian Agenda. Nuclear energy however is for all intents and purposes unlimited. Both fission & fusion. And BTW we can likely do fusion economically right now. Just the land area of the Earth has enough Uranium & Thorium to power our current civilization for 100Myrs. And there are much larger resources on the Moon, Asteroids & Mars.
So the reality, limits on Growth is an arm-waving fable pushed by Rent Seekers who just love Scarcity because that = high rents.
Thorium is 9.6ppm and Uranium is 2.7ppm. You can mine easily up to 3000m. Earth Land Area is 148M sq. km. So (9.6+2.7) = 12.3ppm. Thus 12.3e-6 x 148e12 x 3000 x 3300 kg/M^3 = 1.8e16 kg. At 2M x the energy density of crude oil, that works out to 3.6e22 kg of oil equivalent or 2.6e20 barrels of oil equivalent. At 2021 usage of 2.9e10 bbls of oil that is the energy equivalent of 9e10 yrs of total World crude oil production. Or 90 billion years of current World oil production energy equivalent.
So the Malthusians are jumping the shark and mitigating the future energy bottleneck as a power grab, to test biosecurity apparatus as control grid and to secure their interests, renewables are not a viable replacement and we just need to scale up nuclear and mine off-planet resources until population begins to fall around 2100? Isn't it more likely that we are reaching the limits of affordable energy to run modern industrial civilization and the Elite are rationing fossil fuels while floating pie in the sky ideas about transition and pouring money into command and control economies with digital track and trace for rationing access and mobility? Nuclear I can see. Fusion and off-planet mining seem far fetched.
Now you are being facetious. I just showed current land resources of uranium & thorium amount to 90 billion years of current World Oil production energy. And you don't even need to mine that uranium & thorium. You will get ample amounts by extracting it from other metal mines flot con. One rare Earth mine makes enough thorium waste annually to supply the entire World's primary energy for an entire year.
We don't need to do off-planet mining, but anyone claims in even 100yrs that's not feasible is a charlatan. It will be all about economics. And PACER fusion is doable right now, it just is not politically tenable. And anyone who says we won't have other types of fusion in a 100yrs is claiming to possess a magic crystal ball.
Haha I'm trying to learn from you. Thanks for the data. The common reply is that these promised discoveries are always a few months, years or a decade in the future? The Spent and Waste Fuel reactors are interesting concepts. PACER is new to me. How about molten salt? Off planet mining doable in the future, ok. Can you refute the debt as payment now for future energy ie. affordability crisis argument? Isn't this the proof or is the economic system the bigger scam siphoning the value we need to make the transition to a type 1 civ?
What promised discovery? They've been running these reactors since 1981 (BN-600 in Russia). Molten salt is certainly doable, its a long story about how the military cement heads blocked that tech in the early 70's.
I take a fundamental position on finance. The physical economy is the only real economy. I reject the financial economy. Money must be made a servant of the physical economy, not its God as is preached by the High Priests of Davos. If the physical economy works there is no reason why it cannot continue working. And we can cancel or pay down all debt by reverting to exclusively Sovereign Money Creation. No more Debt money. Banksters are criminals and will kill to protect that welfare bum gift they've been given. Take that away and you takeaway their power.
"...Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley are co-authors of the new book, “Super Abundance”. They sit down with Dr Jordan B Peterson to discuss their studies into overpopulation, the myths surrounding the subject, and how academia has created a new philosophy that demonizes modern man simply for existing.
Marian Tupy is the co-author of “Super Abundance”, as well as “10 Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know” and “The Simon Abundance Index”. He is the current editor of humanprogress.org, and is a senior fellow at the center for global liberty and prosperity.
Gale Pooley is the co-author of “Super Abundance,” and is also an Associate Professor of business management at Brigham Young University in Hawaii. He has taught economics all over the world, and earned his PHD from the University of Idaho. He is also well known for his role in the development of the Simon Abundance Index...'
Superabundance: The Story of Population Growth, Innovation, and Human Flourishing on an Infinitely Bountiful Planet Hardcover – Aug. 31 2022
by Marian L. Tupy (Author), Gale L. Pooley (Author), & 1 more
"...After analyzing the prices of hundreds of commodities, goods, and services spanning two centuries, Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley found that resources became more abundant as the population grew. That was especially true when they looked at “time prices,” which represent the length of time that people must work to buy something.
To their surprise, the authors also found that resource abundance increased faster than the population―a relationship that they call “superabundance.” On average, every additional human being created more value than he or she consumed. This relationship between population growth and abundance is deeply counterintuitive, yet it is true.
Why? More people produce more ideas, which lead to more inventions. People then test those inventions in the marketplace to separate the useful from the useless. At the end of that process of discovery, people are left with innovations that overcome shortages, spur economic growth, and raise standards of living.
But large populations are not enough to sustain superabundance―just think of the poverty in China and India before their respective economic reforms. To innovate, people must be allowed to think, speak, publish, associate, and disagree. They must be allowed to save, invest, trade, and profit. In a word, they must be free...."
That's how I think. More people = more ideas = more likely to innovate out of any problems. However, it doesn't matter what the truth is, if the people in charge believe cheap energy has come to an end and they set policies according to their neo-Malthusian views. As you say, if we are pushed into poverty then nobody will be doing any innovating.
Like everything, there is an optimal level. I firmly believe if our population stabilizes around 10B that is ~an optimal level. These DeGrowthers, Malthusians and Doomers demanding we reduce World population down to between 500M and 2B people are crackpot fanatics. Sad fact is they are the World Leaders, at least in the West.
Tim does a superb job identifying the issues... but where he falls down is with respect to the outcome.
We have a population of 8 billion --- they are fed using resources that are clearly into very deep depletion... and there is nothing that can replace these resources. Fertilizers and pesticides are mad with oil and gas -- the machinery that operates farms and transports the food to the 8 billion uses oil and gas...
What does it matter if the people who operate the world use policies related to covid to gain more control of the 8 billion -- how does that feed them when the resources hit a tipping point?
We are on the precipice of a total implosion -- caused because the global economy is being strangled by a lack of cheap energy:
“I’m sitting here staring in the face at the biggest and probably the broadest asset bubble — forget that I’ve ever seen, but that I’ve ever studied,” Stanley Druckenmiller said at the May 2023 Sohn Investment Conference.
I fail to understand how more control mitigates the outcome. I suspect Tim is buying into the Great Reset PR ... there's even a website for that https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
How does eating bugs, 15 minute cities and driving EVs and promoting 'renewable' energy fix the end of cheap energy? Lets throw in some dancing Trannies in the grade 3 classroom for good measure.
This Great Rest is total bullshit.
There can be no soft landing. Physics and math dictate the terms -- and they indicate starvation is imminent.
I fail to see how anyone could conclude otherwise... after all --- since that first person sowed the first seed this was the guaranteed outcome
We farm so that we can defy die-back... when population growth is threatened -- we used our brilliant minds to innovate and grow more... culminating in industrial farming that feeds 8 billion.
I suppose nobody wants to admit that our self-proclaimed genius was a suicide mission -- that it was utter stupidity. And that it is - make no mistake.
Nope nobody wants to admit that all the geniuses of history -- the innovators... the inventors --- were marching us towards the cliff - and extinction.
I never fail to be amused when I watch humans take to the stage at the NY stock exchange ... delighted to be listing their companies -- ringing the bell -- drinking Champagne -- and contemplating private jets and super yachts.
The reality is - they are toasting pillage... their toasting the destruction of the planet... the paving over of the planet... of course they are also toasting the depletion of the finite resources that fuel their pillage.
Don't get me wrong --- it's not as if they had a choice...
Consider Rat Island -- it's a small remote island that has 40-50 rats living there... if the population exceeds 50 some of the rats die...
A ship filled with grain washes up on Rat Island... the rats scurry into the hull... and rejoice!!!
Holy F789 -- look at all this food... and that kicks off the mother of all banquets... the other rats join the fray stuffing themselves... dancing whooping celebrating (no bell though...) .... they fornicate like porn stars... thousands of rats are birthed... and they join in ...
Now imagine if a single rat approached and suggested this was a huge mistake ... he tried to explain that this would end badly... he'd be told to f789 off... and called a party pooper
Are we any smarter than the rats? Nope. In fact we are dumber... they didn't grow the grain ... it just washed up...
We've reached the end of the road -- just as the thousands of rats would reach the end of their road when the grain runs out.
Guess what the thousands of rats would do when the grain ran out and they were hungry -- you got it - they'd eat each other.
We are in the same position - but we are 8 billion.
Tim does not connect Covid to any of this - he does not discuss the injections (which I refer to as Rat Juice... for a reason)
Everyone gets the Rat Juice... celebrities politicians athletes... doctors bankers lawyers ... military forces ... everyone...
There has to be a reason why.
Consider 8 billion starving very angry humans .. on the streets...
If you run the show -- do you allow this -- or do you attempt to stop the Gates of Hell opening ... by exterminating the 8 billion --- before the global economy collapses?
Tim does not want to go there... few do ... it's an awful thought.
Read him too - but 64000 q is when and how does that 411 get to the masses who are irrevocably damaged via rat juice? Unless that happens...dont see path to other side bc the controllers define truth and reality. Too many ie most....dont know truth and don't want to. What puahes it into forefront?
“I’m sitting here staring in the face at the biggest and probably the broadest asset bubble — forget that I’ve ever seen, but that I’ve ever studied,” Stanley Druckenmiller said at the May 2023 Sohn Investment Conference.
Dr. Lee Merritt explains how mRNA Vaccines killed animals during testing and how MRNA Vaccines could be used to kill millions of people by first injecting people with the So Called Vaccine and then releasing a counterpart even years later to be killed at will - She calls this a Binary Poison (as it's in two parts)
In a meeting of the World Health Assembly in Geneva, Switzerland, on Monday, director-general Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus sounded an alarm that the COVID-19 pandemic is far from over.
“The threat of another variant emerging that causes new surges of disease and death remains,” Tedros said. “And the threat of another pathogen emerging with even deadlier potential remains.”
The US keeps kicking the can down the road instead of dealing with issues that have been obvious for many years. Europe will likely collapse first. I really appreciate this excellent explanation. Any ideas for the average person? I'm tempted to buy a small cabin in the woods and go off the grid, but we're kind of old for that. However we would be free.
Interesting theory. The two economy part I agree with -- it echoes what I hear from Richard Werner and Michael Hudson. As Hudson is fond of saying, "debts that can't be paid won't be paid." A few premises though, cause me to rethink the conclusion:
1) I would wager my future productivity that actual clean, biosupportive, inexpensive energy tech already exists and has been bought and shelved by the cabal. The cost of energy is what the cabal rely on as leverage over the world. From what I've seen, they control virtually every aspect of it from false "green" to "fossil" and its costs, and control the decades-long narratives that have installed the beliefs in the energy / climate "crises" -- the material problems / environmental hazards of this thesis -- in the first place. They use these narratives, repeated ad nauseam by funded / controlled institutions and politicos, to herd people exactly where they want them to go.
2) What happened around 1999 / 2000 to cleave the GDP line from the real economy line? That would be the repeal of Glass--Steagall ... therein lies an obvious onramp to the conjured financial economy the cabal set up so they could do all this gambling with other people's money.
3) We can, in fact, erase debts, as they did regularly in flourishing cyclical ancient Mesopotamian societies for thousands of years. All it takes is deciding the large creditors are not anointed gods in need of everyone's money. Michael Hudson's recent book explains it all. Yves Smith writes in her review: "In ancient Mesopotamian societies it was understood that freedom was preserved by protecting debtors. In what we call Western Civilization, ... just the opposite. For us freedom has been understood to sanction the ability of creditors to demand payment from debtors without restraint or oversight. This is the freedom to cannibalize society. This is the freedom to enslave."
Oh, we can also outlaw usury, again, if we choose.
Everything You Thought You Knew About Western Civilization Is Wrong: A Review of Michael Hudson’s New Book, "And Forgive Them Their Debts"
4) We can indeed reinvest in the real economy, which has been starved of investment imo purposefully by cabal agenda plus the conjured incentives of returns delivered by the conjured financial economy. This wouldn't be financial gimmicky. The growth has been stunted imo on purpose. There's PLENTY of work needed -- infrastructure being just one glaring example. The recovery capacity absolutely exists. Richard Werner argues just that in his recent white paper, while advocating for a sovereign state public bank, which would put the supply of credit into the purview of the people.
So there is absolutely no need to buy in to the notion of "widening and worsening hardship." Plenty of proven examples already exist of solutions. The work is in letting go of the narrative we're bombarded with daily.
How about staying the execution of fossil fuels? The deliberate dismantling of 85% of the world’s energy capacity and forced conversion to renewables is pure madness. Even if the financial economies of the world were the picture of health and monetary/fiscal responsibility, this destruction of real economies through the destruction of the only available and viable energy available on the planet is beyond asinine. What kind of a “modified consensus” is this? There is no climate crisis whatsoever. The Billionaire oligarchs that are orchestrating this civilizational homicide are in fact sawing off the limb they are sitting on. I can’t help but conclude that they are all fools and idiots.
Given our dire situation what could be better that going All-In for fossil fuels and driving the unit cost to historic lows. We could do it, and real economies would soar.
Peak affordability may be the issue not peak oil due to energy cost of energy. Plenty of oil in the ground but increasingly expensive to extract, transport, refine and distribute due to being farther field and accounting for increasing complexity. Debt has been covering for the affordability issue. Debt is payment now for future energy. Money is a claim on goods and services produced by affordable on demand energy of the right types.
Fracking completely changed the cost/affordability equation due to the addition of Natural Gas “for free” (in many cases)The destruction of refining capacity, deliberately forcing viable capacity off-line, has done more in the last 2 years to drive the price of petroleum based fuels higher, along with using trains over pipelines and other logistics inefficiencies(also deliberate).
And there is also nuclear, which they have killed even more effectively than fossil fuels.
So you're saying that the Energy return on energy investment of fracking makes is basically "free" versus conventional oil and that the deliberate inefficiencies drive the price of fossil fuels higher? Can you contribute this idea at Tim Morgan's website with the data to back that up? Thanks!
Yes that very fact blows the author's thesis out of the water. First he claims Limits of Growth is a wall that will force economic contraction, but skates right past the fact that we are having this wind/solar scam shoved down our collective throats. We can easily expand our energy supply and resources massively with Nuclear energy. So most of his arguments are rendered mute by that one fact.
Several models have been shared by energy skeptics on scaling up nuclear. The consensus appears to be that the regulatory and safety hurdles in a perfect economy with clean supply lines require quite some time. Not in my backyard is an issue as well as sourcing, refining and storing waste due to environmental and geopolitical issues.
Yes I know their arguments and I continue to completely demolish them as a hobby. To the point they just shut right up. And then go somewhere else and repeat the same nonsense as though it wasn't debunked. A total lack of integrity. Prove me wrong and I will admit it and change that part of my position. It is reprehensible endlessly repeating the same debunked Greenpeace talking points.
His comment section is lively regarding the theory of planned degrowth, scaling up nuclear, feasibility of renewables and matters of intermittency, transmission and storage. Morgan is open to reasonable debate in my experience but not fond of pure conspiracy theory.
Pure conspiracy to me is conjecture with out anything to back it up. Just regurgitating someone else's talking points with or without an agenda to debunk a reasoned argument with plenty of ad hominems in a passive-aggressive manner. People who are polished and paid to perform proving a particular idea are more convincing than trash talkers, lol.
Sounds like the MSM, FBI & CIA and their endless Russia conspiracy theories. Created out of thin air. The REAL conspiracy is that they used their invented conspiracy to justify all kinds of illegal & unethical activities.
If conspiracies are nonsense than why does the FBI throw so many tens of thousands of people in prison on conspiracy charges?
After enduring several years of amateur stalking, I paid the FBI a visit and they told me that the socialists were trying to recruit me. I told them that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and asked them for a business card. They said the FBI doesn't hand out business cards, lol.
I don't know what "pure" conspiracy theory is. But if you ignore conspiracies, then you really don't have a clue what is happening in the World, nor will you ever have a clue. In fact I would argue that conspiracy is the #1 cause of all these so-called Growth limit problems.
Admittedly, I didn’t read the whole thing, however, a few paragraphs in it struck me that the whole basis of this theory was predicated upon the previous economic expansion, coming to an end, and this consequent shrinking being a bad thing, presumably, because they would not be enough of various things to go round, however, it struck me that if we are a population that is it self constricting, then what would have been considered as not enough to go round, may actually be enough to go round if there were less people in the system? I am aware that I am starting to sound like some sort of a pound shop Bill Gates. However, I am hopeful, that this may serve as a counterpoint to some of the more alarmist predictions.
BREAKING: WHO, EU announce partnership creating ‘global system’ of digital vaccine passports
The digital system 'will help facilitate global mobility and protect citizens across the world from on-going and future health threats, including pandemics,' according to the WHO.
Too many of the general public want to give those in power the 'benefit of the doubt', though there is chaos in the system out there and though "the controllers'" systems and plans are not foolproof, they do implement plans and agendas.
Their idea of good is not good for you. You are the carbon they want to reduce.
Fiat money has run its course, it has bought power and influence to people who naturally would never rise to positions of authority, they will not relinquish this power.
Study the 'Limits to growth' graph and think of it as a plan.
If fossil fuel is removed from society only 20% of the population can be supported.
There is a Depop adgenda to pre emptively reduce the population to fit energy transition
"We have a population of 8 billion --- they are fed using resources that are clearly into very deep depletion... and there is nothing that can replace these resources. Fertilizers and pesticides are mad with oil and gas -- the machinery that operates farms and transports the food to the 8 billion uses oil and gas..."
Some people who argue the limits to growth and the transition to renewables is fake are also suggesting that in another 10, 20, 30 years the free market, sovereign currency and deregulation will unlock the superabundance we need to innovate a new form of surplus energy that will somehow allow us to run farm tractors and big rigs and pump out feed stocks and fertilizers? Is this some kind of cognitive dissonance?
Invest in tangible assets(real estate, rare metals) and spend on survival gear(water wells, purifiers, seed vaults) and on things you love that may not be available(pums)
It’s a reasonable response to this issue. I think (to a degree) being in a situation you can be relatively self sufficient is sensible. However the best “bang for your buck” that can be done right now would be to invest in knowledge and real skills that are tradable.
Buying stuff that might be limited in the future is simply stockpiling and comes with all the problems associated with that. For example degradation over time, needing to be able to trade it for something you need for an equivalent value, it running out or being stolen, etc... On the other hand, if you can produce everyday necessities you have a very valuable ongoing skill you can use to survive into the future. It may also prove to be an enjoyable hobby in the present. Teach a man to fish and all that.
It’s also important to note; horses are fantastic but are a lot of work to maintain, require a lot of inputs (feed, tack, ongoing training, health care) and take a long time to learn to work with. I recommend you find a riding establishment and go for a ride one day- it’s a wonderful way to pass an afternoon and may provide valuable insight into whether they could realistically be a part of your‘ future proofing’.
Maybe they won't actually propose writing a cheque to "the environment" - but apparently there is a plan for "climate reparations", to be paid by industrialised countries to undeveloped countries. (Or, most probably, channelled through certain NGOs who will have a way to skim most of the money off the top.)
Don't expect common sense to stop the idiocy any time soon!
Like I say, it doesn't matter what the truth is (well it does) but it matters more what the people in charge think and what is influencing their policies.
Is it worth checking out and discussing different viewpoints to fight for something we believe in or do we just attack and retreat? I like the idea of exploring "Merchants of doubt."
No doubt I overreacted. I like The Naked Emperor. Just think this article is trash. I've read Limits to Growth and The First Globalist Revolution from the Club of Rome. I'm also familiar with Meadows, one of the authors of the former, who's a full-on depopulationist. The Limits to Growth is hardly prescient. It's a crackpot book put out by the same crew running the WEF and the whole globalist scam. It's important to read because the whole ethos is set out there and gives one a sense of how long this cult has been in operation, its goals and its reach.
Trouble is there are also two main ideologies going along with this split in economic view. One ideology automatically 'thinks' centralized preparation/planning is the key (see the above essay, as an example), while the other knows all the billions of individual human "CPUs" will have to laboriously and experimentally work out the needed aggregate solution piecemeal. Centralized preparation/planning hasn't exactly shown itself fitted for this sort work, after all -- see the last 70 or so years of increasing 'financialization' and the last 3 years of 'the COVID' as examples of what I am referring to.
Exactly right. These Club-Of-Rome Bankster Psychopaths and their Centralized Control Solutions, called ESG, Great Reset, UN Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, WHO treaty, etc, are all based on a Top-Down, One-Size-Fits-All, Centralized system of Governance. Talk about stuck in the 50s. These Grifters are Dinosaurs. It's all about networks now, not hierarchies. Hierarchies are unwieldy, inefficient and do not allow for experimentation and multiple paths to the optimal solutions. They are archaic. Just like the old goat, psychos who are trying to shove that down our throats.
Once again the same old crud "...conventional economics makes the illogical promise of ‘infinite growth on a finite planet..."
That is a just more Malthusian, DeGrowth propaganda from people who have no data so they rely on hand-waving arguments. Do these grifters even know what the word "infinite" means? If we expanded our population a trillion X and used a trillion X the resources, that's not infinite growth. In fact it is infinitely smaller than infinite growth.
The Truth, not Nonsense: Of course Growth is limited. And those limits are complicated and virtually all of them are temporary limits until technology or human interests change. The two most important factors are population on the demand side and energy on the supply side. They are overwhelmingly the most important constraints on growth.
Population: The latest and most accurate assessment of World population is it will peak @ 9.6B in 2064 and then fall to 8.9B in 2100. And that doesn't take into account the large increase in death rate since the Covid Plandemic.
Energy: We are running into a bottleneck on energy. First it will be oil. Followed in about 20-50yrs by gas. Followed by Coal in a similar period. Renewables, are a joke and not even remotely capable of replacing fossil. Far worse than a joke, they are a scam, and reek of an enforced DeGrowth Malthusian Agenda. Nuclear energy however is for all intents and purposes unlimited. Both fission & fusion. And BTW we can likely do fusion economically right now. Just the land area of the Earth has enough Uranium & Thorium to power our current civilization for 100Myrs. And there are much larger resources on the Moon, Asteroids & Mars.
So the reality, limits on Growth is an arm-waving fable pushed by Rent Seekers who just love Scarcity because that = high rents.
How much minable uranium is available on earth?
Thorium is 9.6ppm and Uranium is 2.7ppm. You can mine easily up to 3000m. Earth Land Area is 148M sq. km. So (9.6+2.7) = 12.3ppm. Thus 12.3e-6 x 148e12 x 3000 x 3300 kg/M^3 = 1.8e16 kg. At 2M x the energy density of crude oil, that works out to 3.6e22 kg of oil equivalent or 2.6e20 barrels of oil equivalent. At 2021 usage of 2.9e10 bbls of oil that is the energy equivalent of 9e10 yrs of total World crude oil production. Or 90 billion years of current World oil production energy equivalent.
Boom ! , in good faith, where would somebody go to corroborate these workings ?
Wikipedia.
Says you missed seawater extraction!
Yes indeed. That would add considerably more uranium resources that are replenished by rain extracting the resources I described.
So the Malthusians are jumping the shark and mitigating the future energy bottleneck as a power grab, to test biosecurity apparatus as control grid and to secure their interests, renewables are not a viable replacement and we just need to scale up nuclear and mine off-planet resources until population begins to fall around 2100? Isn't it more likely that we are reaching the limits of affordable energy to run modern industrial civilization and the Elite are rationing fossil fuels while floating pie in the sky ideas about transition and pouring money into command and control economies with digital track and trace for rationing access and mobility? Nuclear I can see. Fusion and off-planet mining seem far fetched.
Now you are being facetious. I just showed current land resources of uranium & thorium amount to 90 billion years of current World Oil production energy. And you don't even need to mine that uranium & thorium. You will get ample amounts by extracting it from other metal mines flot con. One rare Earth mine makes enough thorium waste annually to supply the entire World's primary energy for an entire year.
We don't need to do off-planet mining, but anyone claims in even 100yrs that's not feasible is a charlatan. It will be all about economics. And PACER fusion is doable right now, it just is not politically tenable. And anyone who says we won't have other types of fusion in a 100yrs is claiming to possess a magic crystal ball.
Haha I'm trying to learn from you. Thanks for the data. The common reply is that these promised discoveries are always a few months, years or a decade in the future? The Spent and Waste Fuel reactors are interesting concepts. PACER is new to me. How about molten salt? Off planet mining doable in the future, ok. Can you refute the debt as payment now for future energy ie. affordability crisis argument? Isn't this the proof or is the economic system the bigger scam siphoning the value we need to make the transition to a type 1 civ?
What promised discovery? They've been running these reactors since 1981 (BN-600 in Russia). Molten salt is certainly doable, its a long story about how the military cement heads blocked that tech in the early 70's.
I take a fundamental position on finance. The physical economy is the only real economy. I reject the financial economy. Money must be made a servant of the physical economy, not its God as is preached by the High Priests of Davos. If the physical economy works there is no reason why it cannot continue working. And we can cancel or pay down all debt by reverting to exclusively Sovereign Money Creation. No more Debt money. Banksters are criminals and will kill to protect that welfare bum gift they've been given. Take that away and you takeaway their power.
Great stuff, thanks for your time!
Unfortunately, our government by their own recent studies, is out of money to pay the debt in 10 yrs. They are intentionally destroying the US.
Enough of the Malthusian Fear Porn. How about some well documented and unlike the author's thesis, numerically established, Cornucopianism:
Superabundance: The Age of Plenty | Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley | #284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iC_hY4qhyk
"...Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley are co-authors of the new book, “Super Abundance”. They sit down with Dr Jordan B Peterson to discuss their studies into overpopulation, the myths surrounding the subject, and how academia has created a new philosophy that demonizes modern man simply for existing.
Marian Tupy is the co-author of “Super Abundance”, as well as “10 Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know” and “The Simon Abundance Index”. He is the current editor of humanprogress.org, and is a senior fellow at the center for global liberty and prosperity.
Gale Pooley is the co-author of “Super Abundance,” and is also an Associate Professor of business management at Brigham Young University in Hawaii. He has taught economics all over the world, and earned his PHD from the University of Idaho. He is also well known for his role in the development of the Simon Abundance Index...'
Superabundance: The Story of Population Growth, Innovation, and Human Flourishing on an Infinitely Bountiful Planet Hardcover – Aug. 31 2022
by Marian L. Tupy (Author), Gale L. Pooley (Author), & 1 more
https://www.amazon.com/Superabundance-Population-Innovation-Flourishing-Infinitely/dp/1952223393/
"...After analyzing the prices of hundreds of commodities, goods, and services spanning two centuries, Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley found that resources became more abundant as the population grew. That was especially true when they looked at “time prices,” which represent the length of time that people must work to buy something.
To their surprise, the authors also found that resource abundance increased faster than the population―a relationship that they call “superabundance.” On average, every additional human being created more value than he or she consumed. This relationship between population growth and abundance is deeply counterintuitive, yet it is true.
Why? More people produce more ideas, which lead to more inventions. People then test those inventions in the marketplace to separate the useful from the useless. At the end of that process of discovery, people are left with innovations that overcome shortages, spur economic growth, and raise standards of living.
But large populations are not enough to sustain superabundance―just think of the poverty in China and India before their respective economic reforms. To innovate, people must be allowed to think, speak, publish, associate, and disagree. They must be allowed to save, invest, trade, and profit. In a word, they must be free...."
That's how I think. More people = more ideas = more likely to innovate out of any problems. However, it doesn't matter what the truth is, if the people in charge believe cheap energy has come to an end and they set policies according to their neo-Malthusian views. As you say, if we are pushed into poverty then nobody will be doing any innovating.
Like everything, there is an optimal level. I firmly believe if our population stabilizes around 10B that is ~an optimal level. These DeGrowthers, Malthusians and Doomers demanding we reduce World population down to between 500M and 2B people are crackpot fanatics. Sad fact is they are the World Leaders, at least in the West.
First thought here was Moore's Law.
Tim does a superb job identifying the issues... but where he falls down is with respect to the outcome.
We have a population of 8 billion --- they are fed using resources that are clearly into very deep depletion... and there is nothing that can replace these resources. Fertilizers and pesticides are mad with oil and gas -- the machinery that operates farms and transports the food to the 8 billion uses oil and gas...
What does it matter if the people who operate the world use policies related to covid to gain more control of the 8 billion -- how does that feed them when the resources hit a tipping point?
We are on the precipice of a total implosion -- caused because the global economy is being strangled by a lack of cheap energy:
“I’m sitting here staring in the face at the biggest and probably the broadest asset bubble — forget that I’ve ever seen, but that I’ve ever studied,” Stanley Druckenmiller said at the May 2023 Sohn Investment Conference.
I fail to understand how more control mitigates the outcome. I suspect Tim is buying into the Great Reset PR ... there's even a website for that https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
How does eating bugs, 15 minute cities and driving EVs and promoting 'renewable' energy fix the end of cheap energy? Lets throw in some dancing Trannies in the grade 3 classroom for good measure.
This Great Rest is total bullshit.
There can be no soft landing. Physics and math dictate the terms -- and they indicate starvation is imminent.
I fail to see how anyone could conclude otherwise... after all --- since that first person sowed the first seed this was the guaranteed outcome
We farm so that we can defy die-back... when population growth is threatened -- we used our brilliant minds to innovate and grow more... culminating in industrial farming that feeds 8 billion.
I suppose nobody wants to admit that our self-proclaimed genius was a suicide mission -- that it was utter stupidity. And that it is - make no mistake.
Nope nobody wants to admit that all the geniuses of history -- the innovators... the inventors --- were marching us towards the cliff - and extinction.
I never fail to be amused when I watch humans take to the stage at the NY stock exchange ... delighted to be listing their companies -- ringing the bell -- drinking Champagne -- and contemplating private jets and super yachts.
The reality is - they are toasting pillage... their toasting the destruction of the planet... the paving over of the planet... of course they are also toasting the depletion of the finite resources that fuel their pillage.
Don't get me wrong --- it's not as if they had a choice...
Consider Rat Island -- it's a small remote island that has 40-50 rats living there... if the population exceeds 50 some of the rats die...
A ship filled with grain washes up on Rat Island... the rats scurry into the hull... and rejoice!!!
Holy F789 -- look at all this food... and that kicks off the mother of all banquets... the other rats join the fray stuffing themselves... dancing whooping celebrating (no bell though...) .... they fornicate like porn stars... thousands of rats are birthed... and they join in ...
Now imagine if a single rat approached and suggested this was a huge mistake ... he tried to explain that this would end badly... he'd be told to f789 off... and called a party pooper
Are we any smarter than the rats? Nope. In fact we are dumber... they didn't grow the grain ... it just washed up...
We've reached the end of the road -- just as the thousands of rats would reach the end of their road when the grain runs out.
Guess what the thousands of rats would do when the grain ran out and they were hungry -- you got it - they'd eat each other.
We are in the same position - but we are 8 billion.
Tim does not connect Covid to any of this - he does not discuss the injections (which I refer to as Rat Juice... for a reason)
There can be no doubt that the Rat Juice is intended to do great harm https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/bio-shocks-monday-june-5-2023-c-and/
Everyone gets the Rat Juice... celebrities politicians athletes... doctors bankers lawyers ... military forces ... everyone...
There has to be a reason why.
Consider 8 billion starving very angry humans .. on the streets...
If you run the show -- do you allow this -- or do you attempt to stop the Gates of Hell opening ... by exterminating the 8 billion --- before the global economy collapses?
Tim does not want to go there... few do ... it's an awful thought.
Mr Eddy
Re this
There can be no doubt that the Rat Juice is intended to do great harm https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/bio-shocks-monday-june-5-2023-c-and/
Everyone gets the Rat Juice...
Read him too - but 64000 q is when and how does that 411 get to the masses who are irrevocably damaged via rat juice? Unless that happens...dont see path to other side bc the controllers define truth and reality. Too many ie most....dont know truth and don't want to. What puahes it into forefront?
What can we the remnant do to open the can?
“I’m sitting here staring in the face at the biggest and probably the broadest asset bubble — forget that I’ve ever seen, but that I’ve ever studied,” Stanley Druckenmiller said at the May 2023 Sohn Investment Conference.
Dr. Lee Merritt explains how mRNA Vaccines killed animals during testing and how MRNA Vaccines could be used to kill millions of people by first injecting people with the So Called Vaccine and then releasing a counterpart even years later to be killed at will - She calls this a Binary Poison (as it's in two parts)
https://humansarefree.com/2021/01/dr-lee-merritt-animal-studies-mrna-technology-all-animals-died.html
In a meeting of the World Health Assembly in Geneva, Switzerland, on Monday, director-general Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus sounded an alarm that the COVID-19 pandemic is far from over.
“The threat of another variant emerging that causes new surges of disease and death remains,” Tedros said. “And the threat of another pathogen emerging with even deadlier potential remains.”
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/the-next-pandemic-even-deadlier-than-covid-is-coming-warns-who/news-story/20be6a458bf55b01143d752b2b0fa1d6
The US keeps kicking the can down the road instead of dealing with issues that have been obvious for many years. Europe will likely collapse first. I really appreciate this excellent explanation. Any ideas for the average person? I'm tempted to buy a small cabin in the woods and go off the grid, but we're kind of old for that. However we would be free.
I suspect the best answer is just to try and understand it all . No one takes away the fact that life is a miracle and you are the meaning
Interesting theory. The two economy part I agree with -- it echoes what I hear from Richard Werner and Michael Hudson. As Hudson is fond of saying, "debts that can't be paid won't be paid." A few premises though, cause me to rethink the conclusion:
1) I would wager my future productivity that actual clean, biosupportive, inexpensive energy tech already exists and has been bought and shelved by the cabal. The cost of energy is what the cabal rely on as leverage over the world. From what I've seen, they control virtually every aspect of it from false "green" to "fossil" and its costs, and control the decades-long narratives that have installed the beliefs in the energy / climate "crises" -- the material problems / environmental hazards of this thesis -- in the first place. They use these narratives, repeated ad nauseam by funded / controlled institutions and politicos, to herd people exactly where they want them to go.
2) What happened around 1999 / 2000 to cleave the GDP line from the real economy line? That would be the repeal of Glass--Steagall ... therein lies an obvious onramp to the conjured financial economy the cabal set up so they could do all this gambling with other people's money.
3) We can, in fact, erase debts, as they did regularly in flourishing cyclical ancient Mesopotamian societies for thousands of years. All it takes is deciding the large creditors are not anointed gods in need of everyone's money. Michael Hudson's recent book explains it all. Yves Smith writes in her review: "In ancient Mesopotamian societies it was understood that freedom was preserved by protecting debtors. In what we call Western Civilization, ... just the opposite. For us freedom has been understood to sanction the ability of creditors to demand payment from debtors without restraint or oversight. This is the freedom to cannibalize society. This is the freedom to enslave."
Oh, we can also outlaw usury, again, if we choose.
Everything You Thought You Knew About Western Civilization Is Wrong: A Review of Michael Hudson’s New Book, "And Forgive Them Their Debts"
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/145003.html
4) We can indeed reinvest in the real economy, which has been starved of investment imo purposefully by cabal agenda plus the conjured incentives of returns delivered by the conjured financial economy. This wouldn't be financial gimmicky. The growth has been stunted imo on purpose. There's PLENTY of work needed -- infrastructure being just one glaring example. The recovery capacity absolutely exists. Richard Werner argues just that in his recent white paper, while advocating for a sovereign state public bank, which would put the supply of credit into the purview of the people.
https://sovereigntennessee.solari.com/why-a-sovereign-state-bank-is-good-for-tennessee/
So there is absolutely no need to buy in to the notion of "widening and worsening hardship." Plenty of proven examples already exist of solutions. The work is in letting go of the narrative we're bombarded with daily.
Someone who is actively trying to put things right is Keith Weiner
"We might describe this as the provision, to households, of debt that they can’t repay to buy things that they don’t need."
Remember that Carlin bit.....
https://youtu.be/kJ4SSvVbhLw
How about staying the execution of fossil fuels? The deliberate dismantling of 85% of the world’s energy capacity and forced conversion to renewables is pure madness. Even if the financial economies of the world were the picture of health and monetary/fiscal responsibility, this destruction of real economies through the destruction of the only available and viable energy available on the planet is beyond asinine. What kind of a “modified consensus” is this? There is no climate crisis whatsoever. The Billionaire oligarchs that are orchestrating this civilizational homicide are in fact sawing off the limb they are sitting on. I can’t help but conclude that they are all fools and idiots.
Given our dire situation what could be better that going All-In for fossil fuels and driving the unit cost to historic lows. We could do it, and real economies would soar.
The reason they push renewables and EVs is to provide hopium to the mob....
They know that's all nonsense... but if the mob gets wind of the truth ... that would cause mass despair and immediate collapse.
Peak affordability may be the issue not peak oil due to energy cost of energy. Plenty of oil in the ground but increasingly expensive to extract, transport, refine and distribute due to being farther field and accounting for increasing complexity. Debt has been covering for the affordability issue. Debt is payment now for future energy. Money is a claim on goods and services produced by affordable on demand energy of the right types.
Fracking completely changed the cost/affordability equation due to the addition of Natural Gas “for free” (in many cases)The destruction of refining capacity, deliberately forcing viable capacity off-line, has done more in the last 2 years to drive the price of petroleum based fuels higher, along with using trains over pipelines and other logistics inefficiencies(also deliberate).
And there is also nuclear, which they have killed even more effectively than fossil fuels.
So you're saying that the Energy return on energy investment of fracking makes is basically "free" versus conventional oil and that the deliberate inefficiencies drive the price of fossil fuels higher? Can you contribute this idea at Tim Morgan's website with the data to back that up? Thanks!
Good points. What of the idea that the price of oil needs to be high enough to make fracked oil and gas profitable?
Yes that very fact blows the author's thesis out of the water. First he claims Limits of Growth is a wall that will force economic contraction, but skates right past the fact that we are having this wind/solar scam shoved down our collective throats. We can easily expand our energy supply and resources massively with Nuclear energy. So most of his arguments are rendered mute by that one fact.
Tim believes in a BAU Lite scenario which is not possible...
Alternatively he is aware of the true outcome -- but prefers to stay away from that cuz that would likely drive most of his readers away
Recall the ending of The Road?
Several models have been shared by energy skeptics on scaling up nuclear. The consensus appears to be that the regulatory and safety hurdles in a perfect economy with clean supply lines require quite some time. Not in my backyard is an issue as well as sourcing, refining and storing waste due to environmental and geopolitical issues.
Yes I know their arguments and I continue to completely demolish them as a hobby. To the point they just shut right up. And then go somewhere else and repeat the same nonsense as though it wasn't debunked. A total lack of integrity. Prove me wrong and I will admit it and change that part of my position. It is reprehensible endlessly repeating the same debunked Greenpeace talking points.
His comment section is lively regarding the theory of planned degrowth, scaling up nuclear, feasibility of renewables and matters of intermittency, transmission and storage. Morgan is open to reasonable debate in my experience but not fond of pure conspiracy theory.
A conspiracy is something planned in secret by 2 or more people. All of history, worldwide, is made up of conspiracies
Pure conspiracy to me is conjecture with out anything to back it up. Just regurgitating someone else's talking points with or without an agenda to debunk a reasoned argument with plenty of ad hominems in a passive-aggressive manner. People who are polished and paid to perform proving a particular idea are more convincing than trash talkers, lol.
Sounds like the MSM, FBI & CIA and their endless Russia conspiracy theories. Created out of thin air. The REAL conspiracy is that they used their invented conspiracy to justify all kinds of illegal & unethical activities.
If conspiracies are nonsense than why does the FBI throw so many tens of thousands of people in prison on conspiracy charges?
Agreed, Real conspiracy 101.
After enduring several years of amateur stalking, I paid the FBI a visit and they told me that the socialists were trying to recruit me. I told them that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and asked them for a business card. They said the FBI doesn't hand out business cards, lol.
I don't know what "pure" conspiracy theory is. But if you ignore conspiracies, then you really don't have a clue what is happening in the World, nor will you ever have a clue. In fact I would argue that conspiracy is the #1 cause of all these so-called Growth limit problems.
Admittedly, I didn’t read the whole thing, however, a few paragraphs in it struck me that the whole basis of this theory was predicated upon the previous economic expansion, coming to an end, and this consequent shrinking being a bad thing, presumably, because they would not be enough of various things to go round, however, it struck me that if we are a population that is it self constricting, then what would have been considered as not enough to go round, may actually be enough to go round if there were less people in the system? I am aware that I am starting to sound like some sort of a pound shop Bill Gates. However, I am hopeful, that this may serve as a counterpoint to some of the more alarmist predictions.
This is what happens if growth stops... depopulation would reverse growth.
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They can print money but they cannot print value.
They can undermine values but they cannot eliminate reality.
They can manufacture consent but they can’t re-engineer the truth.
Coincidentally, I was just listening to this this morning: https://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc
BREAKING: WHO, EU announce partnership creating ‘global system’ of digital vaccine passports
The digital system 'will help facilitate global mobility and protect citizens across the world from on-going and future health threats, including pandemics,' according to the WHO.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-who-eu-announce-partnership-creating-global-system-of-digital-vaccine-passports/?utm_source=digest-freedom-2023-06-05&utm_medium=email
Too many of the general public want to give those in power the 'benefit of the doubt', though there is chaos in the system out there and though "the controllers'" systems and plans are not foolproof, they do implement plans and agendas.
Their idea of good is not good for you. You are the carbon they want to reduce.
Fiat money has run its course, it has bought power and influence to people who naturally would never rise to positions of authority, they will not relinquish this power.
Study the 'Limits to growth' graph and think of it as a plan.
If fossil fuel is removed from society only 20% of the population can be supported.
There is a Depop adgenda to pre emptively reduce the population to fit energy transition
"We have a population of 8 billion --- they are fed using resources that are clearly into very deep depletion... and there is nothing that can replace these resources. Fertilizers and pesticides are mad with oil and gas -- the machinery that operates farms and transports the food to the 8 billion uses oil and gas..."
Some people who argue the limits to growth and the transition to renewables is fake are also suggesting that in another 10, 20, 30 years the free market, sovereign currency and deregulation will unlock the superabundance we need to innovate a new form of surplus energy that will somehow allow us to run farm tractors and big rigs and pump out feed stocks and fertilizers? Is this some kind of cognitive dissonance?
So what is the best thing to do with financial assets? Farmland? Oil? Natural Gas? Buy stuff that will not be available in the future?
Invest in tangible assets(real estate, rare metals) and spend on survival gear(water wells, purifiers, seed vaults) and on things you love that may not be available(pums)
Spend it now ... there is no future.
Like horses? Water wells and pums? I'm serious.
It’s a reasonable response to this issue. I think (to a degree) being in a situation you can be relatively self sufficient is sensible. However the best “bang for your buck” that can be done right now would be to invest in knowledge and real skills that are tradable.
Buying stuff that might be limited in the future is simply stockpiling and comes with all the problems associated with that. For example degradation over time, needing to be able to trade it for something you need for an equivalent value, it running out or being stolen, etc... On the other hand, if you can produce everyday necessities you have a very valuable ongoing skill you can use to survive into the future. It may also prove to be an enjoyable hobby in the present. Teach a man to fish and all that.
It’s also important to note; horses are fantastic but are a lot of work to maintain, require a lot of inputs (feed, tack, ongoing training, health care) and take a long time to learn to work with. I recommend you find a riding establishment and go for a ride one day- it’s a wonderful way to pass an afternoon and may provide valuable insight into whether they could realistically be a part of your‘ future proofing’.
And, buy real books.
Maybe they won't actually propose writing a cheque to "the environment" - but apparently there is a plan for "climate reparations", to be paid by industrialised countries to undeveloped countries. (Or, most probably, channelled through certain NGOs who will have a way to skim most of the money off the top.)
Don't expect common sense to stop the idiocy any time soon!
Umm, seriously? "The remarkably prescient Limits to Growth"? Enough for me to quit following. What utter trash.
Like I say, it doesn't matter what the truth is (well it does) but it matters more what the people in charge think and what is influencing their policies.
Is it worth checking out and discussing different viewpoints to fight for something we believe in or do we just attack and retreat? I like the idea of exploring "Merchants of doubt."
No doubt I overreacted. I like The Naked Emperor. Just think this article is trash. I've read Limits to Growth and The First Globalist Revolution from the Club of Rome. I'm also familiar with Meadows, one of the authors of the former, who's a full-on depopulationist. The Limits to Growth is hardly prescient. It's a crackpot book put out by the same crew running the WEF and the whole globalist scam. It's important to read because the whole ethos is set out there and gives one a sense of how long this cult has been in operation, its goals and its reach.
BREAKING: WHO, EU announce partnership creating ‘global system’ of digital vaccine passports
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-who-eu-announce-partnership-creating-global-system-of-digital-vaccine-passports/?utm_source=digest-freedom-2023-06-05&utm