Everything we knew about disease spread mitigation has been inverted and I'm no longer willing to ascribe it to sheer incompetence. If they were incompetent they would have gotten something right but everything we've been told has made things infinitely worse instead of better, and we haven't even started on vaccine long term side effects.
But we were told that if we refused to get the vaccine that WE were anti-science. That if we didn’t believe everything coming from the CDC or the FDA we were anti-science. Fauci told us He was Science, and that if we criticized Him we were criticizing Science and were therefore anti-science.
All of this is really a very bad joke. The very foundation of science is questioning and even skepticism. It is discovery and mystery and always generates more questions than answers. Newtonian Gravity is settled. Quantum Gravity is not. The history of science is full of stories of accepted facts that were later turned on their heads. Einstein insisted that his theory of General Relativity should not be accepted as fact until it could be fully validated by experiment, and he said he did not think that would happen in his lifetime.(He was right, complete validation did not come until 2015). Following the science means following a process led by doubt and imagination and questioning, not by certainty and dogmatism. Throughout history and up until the present day scientists have been wrong many more times than they have been right. Einstein knew that. That is the very nature of science.
It should be mentioned that at the first inkling of symptoms, start on one of the protocols promoted by Front Line Doctors, or Dr Peter McCullough, etc. The original directions from ERs and Public Health officials to stay home if you were ill and only report to ER when you became desperately ill presumed there were no effective treatments. Yet reports of successful treatment with Hydroxychloroquine, or Ivermectin, with Zinc, Budesonide, Corticosteroids, Vitamin D, etc, came out quite early and were refined into very effective serial multidrug regimens long before the 'experimental mRNA-based gene therapies' were available.
People are shocked when I mention that my mother (70 at the time) recovered at home in Spain in March 2020 with a course of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (before the EMA basically banned this as a treatment protocol).
I get looked at very sceptically, e.g. "Isn't that the discredited drug that Trump championed?" Or: "Was your mum's doctor some sort of rogue doctor?" I mean, he might have been a rogue doctor... but not in the way these people think!
Please do elaborate, with references. You will note that the nearly universal Standard of Care for people reporting to ERs with mild system was.......NOTHING. Go home and isolate until you are really sick, ie hypoxic, already experiencing cytokine storm, etc. Now THAT is suboptimal.
There is plenty of evidence that the development and marketing of pharmaceuticals is rife with corruption, from poor trial design, cherry picking of data, to promotion in ways which guarantee conflict of interest, etc. I am aware of the contentions of Cowan and Kaufman, and some of the history of the Spanish Flu wrt various trials to examine transmissibility which failed to find person to person transmission. To date, I find Koch's standard for pathogenicity has largely stood the test of time.
I think there is a huge role for diet, physical activity and mental health in resistance to disease. I understand that antibody titres are an incomplete, if not poor, measure of actual resistance to illness. They are part of a complex 'defense in depth' immune system, from mucosal immunity, gastric acidity, to memory cells of various kinds. As a graduate biochemist I have an inkling of how the inflammatory response works, with Reactive Oxygen Species being broadly used by various mechanisms (immune reactions, injury response, apoptosis clean-up, etc) and normally maintained in an ongoing balance with antioxidants (glutathione etc).
I concur with your impression that RT-PCR is a tool that "makes shit up" since samples were never purified, the target nucleotide sequences exist in other pathogens, the cycle thresholds used were far too high (why would they reduce the Ct from the 'usual' 40 to 28 for the 'vaccinated' and only the 'vaccinated'?) resulting in many false positives and the promotion of the concept of 'asymptomatic transmission' and the asinine classification of a person testing positive as a 'case' in the absence of symptoms.
I totally appreciate your time and commitment BUT I have always been a freelancer. I have never had a days sick pay. I have also only ever taken about 2 days off sick (plus about 6 weeks maternity leave from a very traumatic birth) When you say ‘if you are sick stay at home’ that is only possible if you can afford it.
Yes maybe I should have said if possible. In the past the majority would stay at home if sick with those who needed to to soldiering on. However, now more and more people are going out when sick when they don’t need to.
I don't know if this is the case. Maybe it depends on where you live? What I've noticed over the past few years (including pre covid) is that people who came in to work (in my office environment) with even a slight sniffle were starting to be condemned as selfish and thoughtless of others (just like people who 'refuse' to wear masks and get the vax?). I can't say that I liked this trend. Sometimes people have hay fever or are a bit under the weather and I don't see any problem with them working. Plus the air conditioning can cause these things in the first place. At the same time, increasingly people take sick leave for 'family emergencies' like taking their cat to the vet. This is more common in government depts (and maybe big corporations?) as people tend to get more sick leave. With the Covid thing, the government here has increased the number of sick leave days employees get. Good in theory but not good for small businesses but then the government doesn't like them anyway.
Have you read Dr Thomas Cowins newest book? Your mention of the toxification of virus samples giving false information is covered pretty convincingly to me by him.
I freelanced for decades. I learned to spend a lot less than I made so I could save for when I was out sick or work was slow. It's doable. You just have to be disciplined and not spend money on stuff that isn't absolutely necessary. My friend was always crying poor but still bought Starbucks every day and got her nails done regularly. I had no sympathy for her.
If you live in any kind of society, it’s really hard to avoid disease transmission. We’re all exposed at some point (maybe less so if it’s body-fluid or skin-contact sexual).
I’m okay being around someone else who’s sick. Either I’ll catch it and get sick or I’ll catch it and not get sick.
The sooner it goes around and weakens, the better—bio-weapon or not.
I'm just saying go back to common sense. I'm okay being around someone who's sick but maybe someone who's vulnerable isn't. If you are really sick stay at home, if you just have cold like symptoms be aware of others around you.
Science isn't gaslighting or sophistry. Journalism isn't cut & pasting PhARMA PR releases or coporate dogma. Truth isn't cherry picked statistics, reverse engineered specifically to discount essential data, which might save scores-of-thousands of lives? Accuracy is inversely proportional to the size of the display and volume of the audio, or the amount of makeup?
Actually - in the world we live in today, Science, journalism and truth ARE whatever our rulers say they are - today. (Tomorrow might be different. Remember - we have always been at war with East Asia!).
When we figured out that the virus was spread by aerosols and the CDC kept recommending cloth masks, the CDC became actively harmful. The recommendation should have went out that the very vulnerable start wearing footed N95 masks or better and limit their time in any enclosed spaces. The government should have redirected all of the useless spending to encouraging improved HVAC systems in public spaces.
Instead, the we continued to get “my mask protects you” and “masking works”. The masking messaging is proof that the CDC’s response to this pandemic had nothing to do with protecting the vulnerable.
I have had this at work, where my colleagues were ill and aggressively testing themselves for covid, yet they said it always came back negative - and "at least it wasn't covid". Yeah, well, clearly whatever you had wiped you out for 5 days or so, so perhaps just stay at home huh? Seems they were intent on not doing that or at least cared not so much, so long as it wasn't covid. It's the epitomy of stupidity. So crazily narrow-minded.
Thanks for the correction - probably one of the words I've typed out how I think it is spelled, only having ever really heard it. And yeah, I find it plain stupid, putting yourself in a difficult situation where you literally cannot win for no reason at all. People that still test out of choice I struggle not to laugh at, as one would have thought that after two years they'd have figured out the nonsense. Alas, no!
Oh Wow, I have heard those exact words and seen our teachers come in sick as dogs, but "I tested negative" and sprayed their germs all over the kids..who tested positive because they were unvaxxed. It is only the vaxxed following this rule, I notice. now, some of the teachers (vaxxed) ae getting it again...I know one was sick last week from her second bout.
Naked Emperor, how do you combat this? i cannot believe what I am seeing...I do wish the vaxxed would just infect each other...
Not related to covid, but teachers often come in when they are sick because finding substitutes at short notice is very difficult and they feel duty bound to come in anyway. (I'm a teacher by the way).
Yes I know it happened pre-covid and that's fine, it's just the switch from we must close the schools to I must go to school when I'm ill that is my issue. Common sense needs to prevail.
The "soldiering on" doesn't mean much, when these variants spread just fine, while asymptomatic, or when EVERYONE is sneezing, sniffy with sore throat and sweaty. When your blood O2 hits 89, you can't stand up without keeling over, you can't remember where you are, or you have to rush a parent you've unwittingly infected, to the ER. The notion, you've been 1099'd out of ANY health insurance, sick-leave, childcare; living on SMAK Ramen and catsup, or soy sauce yuppies dumped in the Uber you still owe $44K on, and is guiding the repo-men to tow it away, as you can't stop pooping and coughing would make you wish you could still breathe through your caked mask?
Everything we knew about disease spread mitigation has been inverted and I'm no longer willing to ascribe it to sheer incompetence. If they were incompetent they would have gotten something right but everything we've been told has made things infinitely worse instead of better, and we haven't even started on vaccine long term side effects.
Astute observation! Utter incompetents occasionally get things right.
So true Slanderman🤙🏽
I suspect a lot of the anti science folks have "In this house, we believe in science" signs on their front lawn.
What is TMV, do tell more...
But we were told that if we refused to get the vaccine that WE were anti-science. That if we didn’t believe everything coming from the CDC or the FDA we were anti-science. Fauci told us He was Science, and that if we criticized Him we were criticizing Science and were therefore anti-science.
All of this is really a very bad joke. The very foundation of science is questioning and even skepticism. It is discovery and mystery and always generates more questions than answers. Newtonian Gravity is settled. Quantum Gravity is not. The history of science is full of stories of accepted facts that were later turned on their heads. Einstein insisted that his theory of General Relativity should not be accepted as fact until it could be fully validated by experiment, and he said he did not think that would happen in his lifetime.(He was right, complete validation did not come until 2015). Following the science means following a process led by doubt and imagination and questioning, not by certainty and dogmatism. Throughout history and up until the present day scientists have been wrong many more times than they have been right. Einstein knew that. That is the very nature of science.
It should be mentioned that at the first inkling of symptoms, start on one of the protocols promoted by Front Line Doctors, or Dr Peter McCullough, etc. The original directions from ERs and Public Health officials to stay home if you were ill and only report to ER when you became desperately ill presumed there were no effective treatments. Yet reports of successful treatment with Hydroxychloroquine, or Ivermectin, with Zinc, Budesonide, Corticosteroids, Vitamin D, etc, came out quite early and were refined into very effective serial multidrug regimens long before the 'experimental mRNA-based gene therapies' were available.
And now they are puling the antibodies out of states saying they don't work against varian sub B.
I don't think I would take them, but I will take IVM and HCQ
People are shocked when I mention that my mother (70 at the time) recovered at home in Spain in March 2020 with a course of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (before the EMA basically banned this as a treatment protocol).
I get looked at very sceptically, e.g. "Isn't that the discredited drug that Trump championed?" Or: "Was your mum's doctor some sort of rogue doctor?" I mean, he might have been a rogue doctor... but not in the way these people think!
Please do elaborate, with references. You will note that the nearly universal Standard of Care for people reporting to ERs with mild system was.......NOTHING. Go home and isolate until you are really sick, ie hypoxic, already experiencing cytokine storm, etc. Now THAT is suboptimal.
There is plenty of evidence that the development and marketing of pharmaceuticals is rife with corruption, from poor trial design, cherry picking of data, to promotion in ways which guarantee conflict of interest, etc. I am aware of the contentions of Cowan and Kaufman, and some of the history of the Spanish Flu wrt various trials to examine transmissibility which failed to find person to person transmission. To date, I find Koch's standard for pathogenicity has largely stood the test of time.
I think there is a huge role for diet, physical activity and mental health in resistance to disease. I understand that antibody titres are an incomplete, if not poor, measure of actual resistance to illness. They are part of a complex 'defense in depth' immune system, from mucosal immunity, gastric acidity, to memory cells of various kinds. As a graduate biochemist I have an inkling of how the inflammatory response works, with Reactive Oxygen Species being broadly used by various mechanisms (immune reactions, injury response, apoptosis clean-up, etc) and normally maintained in an ongoing balance with antioxidants (glutathione etc).
I concur with your impression that RT-PCR is a tool that "makes shit up" since samples were never purified, the target nucleotide sequences exist in other pathogens, the cycle thresholds used were far too high (why would they reduce the Ct from the 'usual' 40 to 28 for the 'vaccinated' and only the 'vaccinated'?) resulting in many false positives and the promotion of the concept of 'asymptomatic transmission' and the asinine classification of a person testing positive as a 'case' in the absence of symptoms.
I totally appreciate your time and commitment BUT I have always been a freelancer. I have never had a days sick pay. I have also only ever taken about 2 days off sick (plus about 6 weeks maternity leave from a very traumatic birth) When you say ‘if you are sick stay at home’ that is only possible if you can afford it.
Yes maybe I should have said if possible. In the past the majority would stay at home if sick with those who needed to to soldiering on. However, now more and more people are going out when sick when they don’t need to.
I don't know if this is the case. Maybe it depends on where you live? What I've noticed over the past few years (including pre covid) is that people who came in to work (in my office environment) with even a slight sniffle were starting to be condemned as selfish and thoughtless of others (just like people who 'refuse' to wear masks and get the vax?). I can't say that I liked this trend. Sometimes people have hay fever or are a bit under the weather and I don't see any problem with them working. Plus the air conditioning can cause these things in the first place. At the same time, increasingly people take sick leave for 'family emergencies' like taking their cat to the vet. This is more common in government depts (and maybe big corporations?) as people tend to get more sick leave. With the Covid thing, the government here has increased the number of sick leave days employees get. Good in theory but not good for small businesses but then the government doesn't like them anyway.
All I'm saying is go back to common sense. If you are really ill stay at home. If you have a slight sniffle continue as normal but be aware of others.
Agree. But we now have had years of experts confusing us all and telling us not to depend on our own observations. Common sense is no longer allowed.
Have you read Dr Thomas Cowins newest book? Your mention of the toxification of virus samples giving false information is covered pretty convincingly to me by him.
I freelanced for decades. I learned to spend a lot less than I made so I could save for when I was out sick or work was slow. It's doable. You just have to be disciplined and not spend money on stuff that isn't absolutely necessary. My friend was always crying poor but still bought Starbucks every day and got her nails done regularly. I had no sympathy for her.
If you live in any kind of society, it’s really hard to avoid disease transmission. We’re all exposed at some point (maybe less so if it’s body-fluid or skin-contact sexual).
I’m okay being around someone else who’s sick. Either I’ll catch it and get sick or I’ll catch it and not get sick.
The sooner it goes around and weakens, the better—bio-weapon or not.
I'm just saying go back to common sense. I'm okay being around someone who's sick but maybe someone who's vulnerable isn't. If you are really sick stay at home, if you just have cold like symptoms be aware of others around you.
The science, became antiscience... While "science denialists" are the ones thinking scientifically... Very prescient...
Science isn't gaslighting or sophistry. Journalism isn't cut & pasting PhARMA PR releases or coporate dogma. Truth isn't cherry picked statistics, reverse engineered specifically to discount essential data, which might save scores-of-thousands of lives? Accuracy is inversely proportional to the size of the display and volume of the audio, or the amount of makeup?
Actually - in the world we live in today, Science, journalism and truth ARE whatever our rulers say they are - today. (Tomorrow might be different. Remember - we have always been at war with East Asia!).
Boy who cried wolf fable apply to this new phenomenon?
And just like the Wizard of Oz, when the curtain was pulled back and the lie exposed, the man just got away with it.
Tragically TRUE.
When we figured out that the virus was spread by aerosols and the CDC kept recommending cloth masks, the CDC became actively harmful. The recommendation should have went out that the very vulnerable start wearing footed N95 masks or better and limit their time in any enclosed spaces. The government should have redirected all of the useless spending to encouraging improved HVAC systems in public spaces.
Instead, the we continued to get “my mask protects you” and “masking works”. The masking messaging is proof that the CDC’s response to this pandemic had nothing to do with protecting the vulnerable.
I have had this at work, where my colleagues were ill and aggressively testing themselves for covid, yet they said it always came back negative - and "at least it wasn't covid". Yeah, well, clearly whatever you had wiped you out for 5 days or so, so perhaps just stay at home huh? Seems they were intent on not doing that or at least cared not so much, so long as it wasn't covid. It's the epitomy of stupidity. So crazily narrow-minded.
Had your colleagues recently been vaccinated (like in the previous 2-3 months)? Asking because I came across a theory that vaccination might make tests more likely to come out negative, even when someone has covid. https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/explaining-the-hospitalization-paradox?s=r
one of them had, though i am not sure about the other one who i was talking to at the time - probably they also were, judging by their character
Thanks for the correction - probably one of the words I've typed out how I think it is spelled, only having ever really heard it. And yeah, I find it plain stupid, putting yourself in a difficult situation where you literally cannot win for no reason at all. People that still test out of choice I struggle not to laugh at, as one would have thought that after two years they'd have figured out the nonsense. Alas, no!
Oh Wow, I have heard those exact words and seen our teachers come in sick as dogs, but "I tested negative" and sprayed their germs all over the kids..who tested positive because they were unvaxxed. It is only the vaxxed following this rule, I notice. now, some of the teachers (vaxxed) ae getting it again...I know one was sick last week from her second bout.
Naked Emperor, how do you combat this? i cannot believe what I am seeing...I do wish the vaxxed would just infect each other...
Don't forget the old standby "but I'm on antibiotics!"
Not related to covid, but teachers often come in when they are sick because finding substitutes at short notice is very difficult and they feel duty bound to come in anyway. (I'm a teacher by the way).
Yes I know it happened pre-covid and that's fine, it's just the switch from we must close the schools to I must go to school when I'm ill that is my issue. Common sense needs to prevail.
My sister is also a teacher. She spoke of this same thing many times.
"I believe in the anti-science!" 🙏🙏🙏🙏 It is my religion.
I love how you point out people think it will protect them, that's a nuanced point I didn't quite get before. 👍🏽💜
The "soldiering on" doesn't mean much, when these variants spread just fine, while asymptomatic, or when EVERYONE is sneezing, sniffy with sore throat and sweaty. When your blood O2 hits 89, you can't stand up without keeling over, you can't remember where you are, or you have to rush a parent you've unwittingly infected, to the ER. The notion, you've been 1099'd out of ANY health insurance, sick-leave, childcare; living on SMAK Ramen and catsup, or soy sauce yuppies dumped in the Uber you still owe $44K on, and is guiding the repo-men to tow it away, as you can't stop pooping and coughing would make you wish you could still breathe through your caked mask?