Jul 10, 2023·edited Jul 10, 2023Liked by NE - nakedemperor.substack.com
"Their existence was reduced to eating, drinking, and grooming, devoid of any meaningful engagement or social structure."
I remember when Calhoun's results were first published. And I remember postulating, at the time, that we (society) were headed in the same direction. And that was BEFORE computers, cell phones, or social media. I was a cynical kid. But look around us today.
🤔🤔 interesting, regardless of technology, most people I know are so busy working, studying, cleaning, cooking, growing, creating, building, driving, etc, that they don't even have time to eat properly, or sit around "grooming",....maybe a bit of drinking, but overall not so much, chillaxing, stroking fur or booze hounding going on!🤣😂 those mice🤷♀️ get all the breaks!😉
I waited too long to have kids, and am somewhat of a loner. Never “understood” the world as a young adult, preferred reading to interacting.
This article sent cold chills down my spine.
Is it possible that the evil we attribute to our unseen overlords, is a drastic attempt to actually save Humanity before we do something stupid and wipe ourselves off of this planet through aggression or mischief (War, Biologics, Nano-tech)?
Some drastic effort. Let's see what they are doing. Creating endless War (as in their Ukraine proxy war with Russia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran soon), Designing deadly Chimera viruses in secret labs all around the World and releasing them, (i.e. SARS-CoV-2). Creating energy & food poverty, mass migrations, fomenting division and hate, all highly destabilizing. As well as economic lockdowns that have devastated the World Economy, costing ~$50T.
I appreciate your opinion, but I don't think our unseen overlords are that bright or that caring. Our unseen overlords are, IMHO, merely evil. What we see today is satanic and meant for no ones good.
Fast eddy...I’ve read your take several times over the years...it does join a lot of dots nicely. I’m not sure if it’s better to think the PTB are benevolent or malicious😂😂. Interesting anyway! What about coal?
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I must have missed something - I thought it said the mice stopped breeding BEFORE they filled the units that were available. Where did the overpopulation idea come from? It sounds like boredom to me - how we will feel in our 15 minute cities.
"It provided a stark picture of a society imploding due to overpopulation, leading to chaos, societal breakdown, and ultimately extinction."
And yet the enclosure had not anywhere near reached capacity.
"Others argued that Universe 25 was less about overpopulation and more about a lack of social roles and stimuli. Calhoun's mice had no challenges to overcome, no new territory to explore, and no threats to unite against. Their existence was reduced to eating, drinking, and grooming, devoid of any meaningful engagement or social structure."
This seems the most apt conclusion.
This is not about boredom but about purpose.
I wonder that boredom clicks in when the main goal is to decipher the behavior of those perverting/destroying/manipulating us.
It takes us away from who we are, denies us of our very selves.
And yes I see very clear correlations between the behavior of the mice and human behavior now.
And would wonder even more so that it has to do with a level of comfort in the way we, generally speaking, live.
No physical struggle, or maybe more aptly put a disconnection to nature, the rhythms and struggle of it.
Indeed it would be far, far better to just put people back on small farms rather than urban ghettos on UBI, drug addicted. There is loads of farmland that can be confiscated from Bill Gates, Blackrock (for crimes against humanity) & Big Banks (who buy them with free welfare bum money we allow them to create out of thin air). The ancestors of these zombies living on city streets survived as mostly subsistence farmers for 10,000 years. And some crops like vegetables are competitive when grown on small plots of land. That could give us a source of healthy food for people.
I agree, other than the "...put people..." part. Why not make it profitable for people to get out of their sardine cans? BTW, profit isn't always measured in dollars.
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🤔🤔 the insistence on comparing mice to humans in a psychological context, baffles me. I understand the physical comparisons, but I'm sceptical of the psychological. 🤷♀️ I'd obviously have to read the experiment notes for myself but I'm not sure how they account for the complex merger of psyche and spirit which is part of the human experience. Or for that matter, the observer effect. Or the simple fact, that the "garden of eden" was not the natural habitat of the mice (or for us for that matter).
🤷♀️ maybe it's egotistical to think that we are gifted with a spark more than a mouse! So the whole experiment seems fairly immature anyway to me! In hindsight, im oh so glad government and Malthusian hysterics funding (I'm assuming) went to pay for this experiment, it is such valuable insight to the mouse condition 🤔😐😐🤦♀️
There are 3 Levels to human potential - Vegetable, Animal, Individual. The Vegetable Level is taking care of basic food and needs for physical existence, the Animal is sticking to the "herd" , and the Individual Level is the stuff of heroes and great thinkers (they do not follow the herd). The Mathusians are keen on manipulating the herd. They do not want Independent, Individual Thinkers because they draw attention to the lies in The Narrative and will point them out to the herd.. The mice are the Animal Level.
Jul 11, 2023·edited Jul 11, 2023Liked by NE - nakedemperor.substack.com
This is a great research find, but interpretation of the results hazards a hasty generalization.
In the BioSphere 2 experiment, for example, they couldn't make it for two years without outside help -- even though they had planned to remain separate from the outside world for at least 2 years. Microbes in their soil made carbon dioxide faster than their plants could make oxygen from it.
With low oxygen, they developed symptoms of altitude sickness and, when their physician got so much altitude sickness that he couldn't even add a column of numbers, they said enough-is-enough, and begrudgingly-accepted outside oxygen prior to the end date of the study.
The inability to substitute for a natural environment -- even with 20 more years of know-how than Calhoun had -- makes it hard to draw conclusions from Calhoun's experiment, because he merely believed (like the scientists who failed at BioSphere 2) that he had covered all of the natural, environment needs of mice.
While the possibility is low, the entire failure of the Calhoun experiment could conceivably boil down to a single missing nutrient in the food (similar to BioSphere 2 failing for lack of oxygen).
Are you kidding? You have unlimited resources you can bring in from outside your habitat. High tech from Earth. Water, CO2, minerals, sunlight, even uranium for energy. That's not a closed system.
No I am not kidding. A 6 to 9 month turn around for resupply, change of personnel. Biosphere 2 only had to phone people outside of the habitat, and open some doors. To have a viable land based colony on Mars needs year of inputs from somewhere. To create agricultural domes on Mars using local materials you already need mining equipment, metal refining with all that entails, fuels, transport, machining. Domes need glass and/or hydrocarbon plastics. That is decades of development. You also have a problem of lower gravity and how that effects plant and animal organisms. Think of how many expeditions here on earth failed because of hostile environments all the while surrounded with all the elements needed for survival if they could access them. How much larger the scope of solving unanticipated problems would be at the distance between Earth and Mars. Before even planning to colonize Mars you would need to exploit the moon for metals and minerals because the gravity well is much easier to escape than earths. This all is why many quality science fiction writers speculated that when humanity finally spread out from earth they might decide to stay mainly in space and mine the asteroid belt and later the Oort Cloud instead of permanent colonies on non earthlike planets.
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When mice die they release a chemical that signals other mice to avoid that place. The chemical persists in the location for months. So it’s not surprising that mice would avoid whole sections of the ‘utopia’
I would love a source for that, since I remove dead mice from traps on a semi-daily basis, and those poor little things died violently when the trap snapped shut. Kills them immediately though, which is good.
Some days, I have to empty the same trap several times. Not even blood-spurts on the bait in the trap seems to ward other mice off.
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Skeptical of all experiments published by the technocrat's system. Results justifies and preprograms the results of their intentional population poisons
On the other hand, some males, referred to by Calhoun as "the beautiful ones," opted for complete societal withdrawal. These were mice that had been born into the chaos. They ceased to mate or fight, instead spending their time eating and obsessively grooming. These mice remained healthy and sleek but contributed nothing to the continuation of their society, instead displaying an obsessive focus on self-maintenance. The mice no longer interacted with their peers, instead preferring to spend all of their time alone. This withdrawal can be viewed as a form of psychological retreat, a response to the stressful social conditions in their environment.
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Interesting.
Aggressive Antifa, over-groomed metrosexuals and helicopter-mom Karens on UBI in 15-minute cities.
Nah, couldn't happen here!
Like the way your mind works and the articles it produces. Always interesting and thought provoking, especially the ones I don't quite agree with. Thank you for making me think - and question that thinking.
Human beings are often more stupid - less aware of their surroundings, less prudent - than mice, rats, crows and dogs and cats. And probably jinn, fairies, pixies and bogles too.
Just observe them.
I recall, for instance, once adding something to my dog's water bowl which was meant to be good for his teeth. He trotted up as usual, bent down, sniffed, and looked at me, questioningly. Go on, I gestured, 'Drink!' Another sniff: 'No way, I'm not even trying that crap whatever you say!'
Ever tried poisoning rats? Smart buggers.
And yet how many idiot humans voluntarily ( we will except those who were forced) took the vaxxes? Our collective self-image is delusiory.
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Looking for a parallel?. I don't see how the Universe-25 experiments could confirm or deny Malthusianism since Malthus predicted that population growth in humans would tend to outpace the supply of food. However in U-25 the food supply remained abundant.
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This is one reason why replacing human jobs with machines and computers is a bad idea. As the experiment proved, if there's no labour, no struggle in life, we become stagnant, turn inward, and implode both individually and as a society. This seems to be what we're witnessing right now with the increasing proliferation of AI, yet they want to add more technology to the mix? In my book Words from the Dead (Ekstasis Editions 2022), I review the 1874 utopian satire Erewhon by Samuel Butler, in which a British explorer stumbles upon a remote society. This society had decided, after a communal consultation, to end their use of certain types of technology created after a certain point in time, based on whether or not it had detrimental effects on the Erewhonian society. Those that, on balance, had more benefits than harms, were retained. I believe this is the society-wide conversation we now need to have. There's plenty of evidence that many forms of digital technology have proven a net harm to society.
I could've saved him the trouble. And boy do I love it when these guys prove I was right.
Malignant boredom. It's bad for everyone. If only Calhoun had taught his mice to crochet.
Soduko. That should do it.
Well. That's still gaming and self-involvement. Put enough mice together and they'll have a blanket for charity done in no time.
Oh yes! All while listening to their Columbia records monthly subscription!
Those tiny turntables are beauties, aren't they?
The last refuge of a shattered dream...
I have a vision of them listening to the Peer Gynt Suites and weeping...
"Their existence was reduced to eating, drinking, and grooming, devoid of any meaningful engagement or social structure."
I remember when Calhoun's results were first published. And I remember postulating, at the time, that we (society) were headed in the same direction. And that was BEFORE computers, cell phones, or social media. I was a cynical kid. But look around us today.
🤔🤔 interesting, regardless of technology, most people I know are so busy working, studying, cleaning, cooking, growing, creating, building, driving, etc, that they don't even have time to eat properly, or sit around "grooming",....maybe a bit of drinking, but overall not so much, chillaxing, stroking fur or booze hounding going on!🤣😂 those mice🤷♀️ get all the breaks!😉
I waited too long to have kids, and am somewhat of a loner. Never “understood” the world as a young adult, preferred reading to interacting.
This article sent cold chills down my spine.
Is it possible that the evil we attribute to our unseen overlords, is a drastic attempt to actually save Humanity before we do something stupid and wipe ourselves off of this planet through aggression or mischief (War, Biologics, Nano-tech)?
Some drastic effort. Let's see what they are doing. Creating endless War (as in their Ukraine proxy war with Russia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran soon), Designing deadly Chimera viruses in secret labs all around the World and releasing them, (i.e. SARS-CoV-2). Creating energy & food poverty, mass migrations, fomenting division and hate, all highly destabilizing. As well as economic lockdowns that have devastated the World Economy, costing ~$50T.
I appreciate your opinion, but I don't think our unseen overlords are that bright or that caring. Our unseen overlords are, IMHO, merely evil. What we see today is satanic and meant for no ones good.
No, they are also part of the experiment. Our 'overlords' are the pointlessly aggressive males
You are close ... real close....
https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220
Fast eddy...I’ve read your take several times over the years...it does join a lot of dots nicely. I’m not sure if it’s better to think the PTB are benevolent or malicious😂😂. Interesting anyway! What about coal?
Over to the master for this one:
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2019/02/22/have-we-already-passed-world-peak-oil-and-world-peak-coal/
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2016/06/20/china-is-peak-coal-part-of-its-problem/
Yes... it's far worse.
Now they can lock themselves in their basement ... order pizza and game -- with breaks ever few hours to log on to their favourite porn sites
You say that like it's a bad thing. Weird.
I must have missed something - I thought it said the mice stopped breeding BEFORE they filled the units that were available. Where did the overpopulation idea come from? It sounds like boredom to me - how we will feel in our 15 minute cities.
It was just one of their theories. You can have overpopulation without reaching the limits of your 15 minute city.
bingo.
i would guess the overpopulation idea already existed at the time. they just repeat what they heard.
like today.
"It provided a stark picture of a society imploding due to overpopulation, leading to chaos, societal breakdown, and ultimately extinction."
And yet the enclosure had not anywhere near reached capacity.
"Others argued that Universe 25 was less about overpopulation and more about a lack of social roles and stimuli. Calhoun's mice had no challenges to overcome, no new territory to explore, and no threats to unite against. Their existence was reduced to eating, drinking, and grooming, devoid of any meaningful engagement or social structure."
This seems the most apt conclusion.
This is not about boredom but about purpose.
I wonder that boredom clicks in when the main goal is to decipher the behavior of those perverting/destroying/manipulating us.
It takes us away from who we are, denies us of our very selves.
And yes I see very clear correlations between the behavior of the mice and human behavior now.
And would wonder even more so that it has to do with a level of comfort in the way we, generally speaking, live.
No physical struggle, or maybe more aptly put a disconnection to nature, the rhythms and struggle of it.
(sorry I'm thinking out loud)
"This is not about boredom but about purpose." This sounds right to me.
Thanks Frances!
And thanks for your cross-post today. Important piece.
I realize I'm just repeating myself and what I read.
Just mulling it over.
The cure?
"Green Acres is the place to be.
Farm livin' is the life for me.
Land spreadin' out so far and wide
Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.
New York is where I'd rather stay.
I get allergic smelling hay.
I just adore a penthouse view.
Dah-ling I love you but give me Park Avenue.
...The chores.
...The stores.
...Fresh air.
...Times Square
You are my wife.
Good bye, city life.
Green Acres we are there."
Indeed it would be far, far better to just put people back on small farms rather than urban ghettos on UBI, drug addicted. There is loads of farmland that can be confiscated from Bill Gates, Blackrock (for crimes against humanity) & Big Banks (who buy them with free welfare bum money we allow them to create out of thin air). The ancestors of these zombies living on city streets survived as mostly subsistence farmers for 10,000 years. And some crops like vegetables are competitive when grown on small plots of land. That could give us a source of healthy food for people.
Vegetables are not healthy. Eat meat.
I agree, other than the "...put people..." part. Why not make it profitable for people to get out of their sardine cans? BTW, profit isn't always measured in dollars.
Yes let's take back all that land. Divest all these wealthy 'overlords' of their wealth. Put them to work on regenerative farms.
Aaah, if I ruled the world....
One of the few good sitcoms.
🤔🤔 the insistence on comparing mice to humans in a psychological context, baffles me. I understand the physical comparisons, but I'm sceptical of the psychological. 🤷♀️ I'd obviously have to read the experiment notes for myself but I'm not sure how they account for the complex merger of psyche and spirit which is part of the human experience. Or for that matter, the observer effect. Or the simple fact, that the "garden of eden" was not the natural habitat of the mice (or for us for that matter).
🤷♀️ maybe it's egotistical to think that we are gifted with a spark more than a mouse! So the whole experiment seems fairly immature anyway to me! In hindsight, im oh so glad government and Malthusian hysterics funding (I'm assuming) went to pay for this experiment, it is such valuable insight to the mouse condition 🤔😐😐🤦♀️
Species-ist!
😂
There are 3 Levels to human potential - Vegetable, Animal, Individual. The Vegetable Level is taking care of basic food and needs for physical existence, the Animal is sticking to the "herd" , and the Individual Level is the stuff of heroes and great thinkers (they do not follow the herd). The Mathusians are keen on manipulating the herd. They do not want Independent, Individual Thinkers because they draw attention to the lies in The Narrative and will point them out to the herd.. The mice are the Animal Level.
This is a great research find, but interpretation of the results hazards a hasty generalization.
In the BioSphere 2 experiment, for example, they couldn't make it for two years without outside help -- even though they had planned to remain separate from the outside world for at least 2 years. Microbes in their soil made carbon dioxide faster than their plants could make oxygen from it.
With low oxygen, they developed symptoms of altitude sickness and, when their physician got so much altitude sickness that he couldn't even add a column of numbers, they said enough-is-enough, and begrudgingly-accepted outside oxygen prior to the end date of the study.
The inability to substitute for a natural environment -- even with 20 more years of know-how than Calhoun had -- makes it hard to draw conclusions from Calhoun's experiment, because he merely believed (like the scientists who failed at BioSphere 2) that he had covered all of the natural, environment needs of mice.
While the possibility is low, the entire failure of the Calhoun experiment could conceivably boil down to a single missing nutrient in the food (similar to BioSphere 2 failing for lack of oxygen).
Closed systems are very difficult to make work. And the smaller they are, the harder it is.
Trip to Mars? sign me right up (not)
A Mars colony is not a closed system. In fact it is just the opposite of a closed system.
how so? and at what stage of development would it be an open system?
Are you kidding? You have unlimited resources you can bring in from outside your habitat. High tech from Earth. Water, CO2, minerals, sunlight, even uranium for energy. That's not a closed system.
No I am not kidding. A 6 to 9 month turn around for resupply, change of personnel. Biosphere 2 only had to phone people outside of the habitat, and open some doors. To have a viable land based colony on Mars needs year of inputs from somewhere. To create agricultural domes on Mars using local materials you already need mining equipment, metal refining with all that entails, fuels, transport, machining. Domes need glass and/or hydrocarbon plastics. That is decades of development. You also have a problem of lower gravity and how that effects plant and animal organisms. Think of how many expeditions here on earth failed because of hostile environments all the while surrounded with all the elements needed for survival if they could access them. How much larger the scope of solving unanticipated problems would be at the distance between Earth and Mars. Before even planning to colonize Mars you would need to exploit the moon for metals and minerals because the gravity well is much easier to escape than earths. This all is why many quality science fiction writers speculated that when humanity finally spread out from earth they might decide to stay mainly in space and mine the asteroid belt and later the Oort Cloud instead of permanent colonies on non earthlike planets.
The Universe 25 experiment is what would happen to humans in a pure communist 15 minute city.
Exactly, which is why it’s the intended ideal…..
Yes and lots of inbreeding is required
When mice die they release a chemical that signals other mice to avoid that place. The chemical persists in the location for months. So it’s not surprising that mice would avoid whole sections of the ‘utopia’
Very interesting. Is there a source for this? I'm interested in confirming and learning more.
Hi, the term used is ‘alarm pheromone’; here’s an article as a starter, https://www.npr.org/2008/08/21/93830234/mice-can-sniff-out-fear-study-finds#:~:text=Now%2C%20a%20team%20in%20Switzerland%20has%20discovered%20an,cells%20near%20the%20tip%20of%20a%20mouse%27s%20nose.
I would love a source for that, since I remove dead mice from traps on a semi-daily basis, and those poor little things died violently when the trap snapped shut. Kills them immediately though, which is good.
Some days, I have to empty the same trap several times. Not even blood-spurts on the bait in the trap seems to ward other mice off.
Have a search for ‘alarm pheromone’
Mice will die of old age etc all the time. They would run out of places to live. Smells like bs to me.
Which should have been noted by the study, as it would decrease living area. Any mention of that?
Skeptical of all experiments published by the technocrat's system. Results justifies and preprograms the results of their intentional population poisons
You are directly over the target now.
BTW - Japan would appear to be the furthest along in terms of this... see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
On the other hand, some males, referred to by Calhoun as "the beautiful ones," opted for complete societal withdrawal. These were mice that had been born into the chaos. They ceased to mate or fight, instead spending their time eating and obsessively grooming. These mice remained healthy and sleek but contributed nothing to the continuation of their society, instead displaying an obsessive focus on self-maintenance. The mice no longer interacted with their peers, instead preferring to spend all of their time alone. This withdrawal can be viewed as a form of psychological retreat, a response to the stressful social conditions in their environment.
place designed for 3000+ mice but they peaked at 600? nothing to do with overpopulation then. gibberish.
they just peaked due to confinement and conditions in an el dorado.
Interesting.
Aggressive Antifa, over-groomed metrosexuals and helicopter-mom Karens on UBI in 15-minute cities.
Nah, couldn't happen here!
Like the way your mind works and the articles it produces. Always interesting and thought provoking, especially the ones I don't quite agree with. Thank you for making me think - and question that thinking.
You’ve got to be kidding. Men are not mice, though they sometimes act like it.
Humans are far more stupid than mice.
What other species defies nature and uses petro chemicals (finite) to grow enough food to drive the population beyond 8 billion.
Human beings are often more stupid - less aware of their surroundings, less prudent - than mice, rats, crows and dogs and cats. And probably jinn, fairies, pixies and bogles too.
Just observe them.
I recall, for instance, once adding something to my dog's water bowl which was meant to be good for his teeth. He trotted up as usual, bent down, sniffed, and looked at me, questioningly. Go on, I gestured, 'Drink!' Another sniff: 'No way, I'm not even trying that crap whatever you say!'
Ever tried poisoning rats? Smart buggers.
And yet how many idiot humans voluntarily ( we will except those who were forced) took the vaxxes? Our collective self-image is delusiory.
Curious that they went to argue overpopulation, when there was plenty of space and resources...
Work and purpose. Work is a blessing (God gave man work BEFORE the fall). But then, men are not mice.
Looking for a parallel?. I don't see how the Universe-25 experiments could confirm or deny Malthusianism since Malthus predicted that population growth in humans would tend to outpace the supply of food. However in U-25 the food supply remained abundant.
This is one reason why replacing human jobs with machines and computers is a bad idea. As the experiment proved, if there's no labour, no struggle in life, we become stagnant, turn inward, and implode both individually and as a society. This seems to be what we're witnessing right now with the increasing proliferation of AI, yet they want to add more technology to the mix? In my book Words from the Dead (Ekstasis Editions 2022), I review the 1874 utopian satire Erewhon by Samuel Butler, in which a British explorer stumbles upon a remote society. This society had decided, after a communal consultation, to end their use of certain types of technology created after a certain point in time, based on whether or not it had detrimental effects on the Erewhonian society. Those that, on balance, had more benefits than harms, were retained. I believe this is the society-wide conversation we now need to have. There's plenty of evidence that many forms of digital technology have proven a net harm to society.