John B Calhoun was a behavioural researcher and ethologist who spent the largest part of his career at the US National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), in Maryland. His work spans six decades, from early experiments with rodents in the 1940s to his death in 1995. But he’s become recently spotlit for his work in 1958–62, starting with a quarter-acre pen of wild Norway rats, and a 1968–72 experiment with mice called Universe 25. Universe 25 was his research pinnacle – a “rodent utopia”.
Calhoun calculated that his pen of wild Norway rats (or brown rats, aka Parisian rats, Hanover rats, street rats, common rats, sewer rats, wharf rats… in essence, “rats” as you know them) could have a sustainable density of 5000, but the population strangely never exceeded 200. With extremely high rates of infant mortality, by the end of the 27th month of observation the population had stabilised at 150 adults.
Calhoun and his team were surprised by these unexpected results and so embarked on a more controlled experiment involving a population of domesticated Norway rats, conducted in a converted barn (a step up in luxury for the animals).
Calhoun’s new rat palace consisted of a 3m x 4.3m room, divided into four pens by an electrified fence. These pens contained everything a rat could possibly need: food, water, elevated burrows, winding staircases, nest boxes… a rodent wonderland. Ramps connected pen 1 to pen 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 4, but not pen 1 to pen 4. This meant that rats tended to concentrate in pens 2 and 3, leading to the development of what Calhoun dubbed a “behavioural sink”: a sort of voluntary overcrowding that resulted from the original, involuntary overcrowding, and led to significant changes in the rats’ behaviour.
These changes weren’t at the good end of the scale.
I’m sure you’ve seen this on CommieTube. I’ve seen it. It’s actually quite disturbing. It’s a definite advertisement NOT to live in a city! And it was sad. I’m an animal lover (not sewer rats).🐀
If you don't see the relevance now, or yet, then hopefully you will remain openminded, and teachable, and continue to think and learn unil you finally graduate elementary school, and may begin your higher college & university-level education. BTW, the important lessons of these rat experiments are very nuanced, and do NOT have any 1-to-1 application to human experience. The results should be seen as suggestive, only....
They can be quite relevant on a societal level, if they are heavily critiqued. Recall the highly promoted rat experiment on cocaine & heroine usage which was debunked by another rat experiment that was more sophisticated and better designed.
But here we are not talking overcrowding, there is easily plenty of space for humans to live with lots of green space, even in population dense Bangladesh, look on Google and see all the empty space. That is just an issue of good urban planning and a rational socioeconomic system.
This topic is about Malthusianism and the ridiculous claim by the Psychopath Parasites that the World can not sustain anywhere near the current 8B. Most of them are claiming 1-2B max. Utter nonsense.
that's totally sillly.. looking on google to see where humans live.. if you looked on a map of British Columbia here, you would see plenty of free space. Cause it's all mountains.. you can't farm it. People live in the valley bottoms... and it's not so much a matter of where you live as where you can grow crops. Food is the limiting factor.
Nonsense. I've been to BC. It is mostly entirely habitable land and has a huge agricultural industry and a vast potential for more. Mountainous regions, difficult to inhabit are a small portion of BC's land area. Go on Google Earth view and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Food is a limiting factor and Bangladesh even has not exceeded that limiting factor with a population density of 1141/sq.km. USA with 35/sq.km. Canada with 4/sq.km.
In Netherlands they farm up to 7m below sea level and are a wealthy country. They are the #2 agricultural exporter in the World @ $94B vs #1 USA @$150B. While Holland is #69 in population & #131 by area and not even a warm or sunny environment. With a population density of 520/sq.km.
And Japan supplies 70% of their food on 13% of their land mass, with 157m people on a small resource poor island and very high living standard. With a population density of 330/sq.km.
USA agricultural land area is 1.2B acres, total land area is 2.3B acres. That's 16 acres of agricultural land per family of 4. That's hardly crowded.
Well in truth they sort of do. Rich people generally don't have many kids, and they consciously or unconsciously hate the fact that poop people can in a sense compete with them for ultimate influence by having more kids.
It's a scary problem and the only decent long-term solution is development into some sort of truly peer-based system. Of course this would require a massive clean-up of politics to have any chance of happening and definitely isn't what the people on top are talking about at the moment.
You are using assumptions that are simple but real life is so much more complex.
It is so weird that even after all the Covid crap and the obvious way that politics has been utterly corrupted people still think that politics can be vcleaned up.
How?
Honestly, I would love to know how because there are corporations spending billions ensuring that they get their way each and every time.
And what’s funny, is WE outnumber them big time! People MUST take their individual power back! And I do practice what I preach! I lost my job of 23 years because I refused a test, subsequently it would have been the jab. My supervisors wouldn’t allow me back in the building on my lunch break. I grocery shopped while I was berated by customers and store clerks. One clerk at Safeway took an item out of my hand and refused service…all this and then some because I refused to wear a mask. Are you KIDDING me???? I’ll keep my language respectful.
TAKE YOUR FREEDOM AND POWER BACK FROM THESE TYRANTS!
And it will get harder the more you acquiesce! It makes it harder for people that cherish their FREEDOM! If not for you, think of your children and grandchildren. This isn’t rocket science. Thank you.
politics are inevitably ugly but we could improve things by probably orders of magnitude by using a genuinely competitive voting system. Truth is right now most people's votes don't matter *at all*. This makes it easy for all the obvious rot to persist indefinitely.
The fact that they can get elected has a lot to do with the media, and the media in turn turns out to be heavily influenced by the voting system. I don't believe (as the rangevoting.org author sort of appears to) that the media is ignorant of the effects of the voting system on their reporting, but either way it makes their job as propagandists much easier. Some details:
One thing that bugs the hell out of me is it seems to be pretty much impossible to get *any* alternative media figure sufficiently interested in the above considerations that they actually mention it. Too boring I guess, even though it has a profound effect on the very issue they care most about (Caitlin herself has written that her most-read articles by far are the ones that hit topics mainstream dems are talking about).
Sounds like that should be a rule amended into the Art of War. Amazing. Just like people who wear their badge or always have their cross exposed to show how "good"they are. Nothing against christians, I believe in God, but some virtue signal way to much IMO.
"Sustainable" is garbage talk also because available resources to support a changing human population is determined by the technology available at the time. Resources are only resources if the technology is developed to use the resource. Oil wasn't a resource until we learned how to use it. So the real truth is talking about "sustainability" is tantamount to claiming you have a crystal ball and can see the future.
I'm using "sustainable" in a different, non-propaganda sense. I intend it to define & describe a person-centered process as opposed to a process-centered process, and to a services-centered system, as opposed to a system-centered system. I assert the subtle distinction has profound import far beyond the obvious nuance. I suggest "sustainable" as a desired paradigm, not as the tool of rhetorical control as it's currently employed.... Do you get my drift? Spaceship Earth/Mother Earth-MotherNature needs a re-educated & trained crew, not abandonment, mutiny, or the satanic depopulation agenda.... Transhumanism & Technocracy should be seen as dire warnings to the People of Planet Earth, not as desired goals, which the Globalist Banksters & Ruling Elites uses them as.
The crew of the spaceship have been partying non stop and the place is kinda trashed... the new generation of crewbies need some good training... the old crew could just retire to someplace warm.
It ain't trashed. It is improving except for birdbrain idiots promoting idiotic, self-serving ideologies, like pushing wind & solar. That alone would trash the World more than all the other trash put together. And almost all the "trash" is in developing countries due to poverty. What are the ruling Malthusian elites demanding? Answer: Increase the poverty. That makes sense.
It shows how much bullshit TPTB talk though doesn't it?
Another example, someone wanting to use their car in the new Oxford Envirocity thing is "unsustainable" yet at the same time private jets for them to meet up in Davos are totally "sustainable".
It is true the elites have ruined the term sustainable. And now the conservatives pile on and claim that the planet can handle another couple hundred years of trashing... too many fucked up people on this planet for sure...
They has to ruin the term though because THEY are the ones that aren't "sustainable".
I am not advocating this at all but if all the politicians and all the elites disappeared tomorrow I honestly think that we would be better off in that without the propaganda and bullshit we could concentrate on the things that matter.
Sure there would be a few fuck-ups along the way but for one thing the constant "divide and rule" thing would be gone.
But unfortunately instead we allow people to be homeless, reources to be wasted and all sorts of evil shit in pursuit of a totally made-up concept called money.
Really? What a stupid comment! There is a thriving underground economy based on cash, which would be largely unaffected by a "power outage". You might not like money, but it is hardly "meaningless". Your claim is both irrational & illogical.....
Japan is your post child with more diapers sold to geriatrics than babies.
The country has not collapsed only because they have been allowed to run up epic levels of debt - they are too big to fail so they don't get called out on it.
Who pays the pensions when there are so many elderly? Who pays the health care costs? Who pays the taxes to keep the country viable? And last but not least at some point the debt servicing becomes untenable .. and BOOM.
Should be no problem. Corruption is a problem. Debt is just the idiotic way our private Bankster criminals have demanded we create money. You can wipe that out with a few keyboard presses. Real things, real production that is what a REAL economy is. Not made up crap like debt.
And Japan supplies 70% of their food on 13% of their land mass, with 157m people on a small resource poor island and very high living standard. With a population density of 330/sq.km.
Petrochemicals are just 16% of oil consumption. The other 84% can readily be replaced with methanol produced from coal or any biomass. Nuclear energy can replace all energy essentially forever.
No, they are not infinite and they don't need to be infinite because humanity isn't anywhere remotely close to "infinite" and never will be. "Infinite" is nutty, nonsensical talk.
Del Bigtree has a great interview with Michael Yon on the Highwire pertaining to what is happening on the ground across the globe with respect to depopulation. Aside from the Plandemic, its already started in earnest with restrictions on fertilizer production and will only get worse. Much worse. He thinks it reasonably likely that there will be mass starvation even in the US. Pandemic, famine, and war always go together. Always.
Yes- always goes together. But, he said! This one is man-made. Yon said this many, many times in the interview. I think we’ve all figured that out. Western Nations, perhaps NATO, are being targeted by someone in many’s opinion.
Not just fertilizer but food production in general, including agricultural land availability. And most of all by forcing us to be reliant upon nutty wind and solar energy scams.
Give us another 50 years and we'll have paved the entire thing over...
Then of course there are the billions of poor animals who are kept in horrifying conditions (worse than the worst Soviet gulag) so that 8 billion of us can eat.
Did I mention the animal experiments that we conduct so we can have such things as tear free shampoo?
They are killed by a predator and eaten. Or they starve to death, and are eaten. Or they die of disease, and are eaten. Every animal, from the tiniest bug to the largest whale. And some if not most are eaten alive.
Yep but while they are alive they get to roam free ... outwitting predators... having a fantastic time most of the time ... enduring a bit of suffering but that's part of living ... it's ain't all just pulling into the Walmart and loading up with Doritos... and flopping on the sofa to watch the Tee Vee....
Now let's look at what we do to the animals in our gulags:
Tell you what --- since you think there's not a whole lot of difference...
I'll pay for your flight to Queenstown --- pick you up in the airport --- I'll bring you to my place out in the country and lock you in a cage --- I'll make sure all your needs are taken care of --- no need to worry about food or water -- everything will be done for you.
No need to deal with the stresses of roaming free --- no demanding bosses... no bills to pay ... no whining spouse... to screeching children... just hassle free living in the cage.
Let me know your preferred travel date, full name -- and I'll organize that ticket for you now.
We only do this cuz there are 8B humans to feed - they cannot be fed using humane methods... therefore these industrial farms must exist - or we starve
almost all animals are raised this way... how do you think China feeds over a billion people?
And my offer is extended to you - if you think it's not so bad then I'll buy you a ticket to Queenstown and I'll reserve a cage for you -- we'll fatten you up then load you into a van to be transferred to the ultimate hell on earth - the abattoir aka The Death Camp ... you get to run down a ramp frightened out of your mind -- and get a bolt shot into the side of your head... killing you instantly. Then we butcher you and since it's illegal to feed human meat to humans we'll feed you to the pigs.
Animals aren't necessary for food, in fact are inefficient food production. Really has nothing whatsoever to do with population limits. It's an ethical issue that must be decided upon on that basis.
Who said I'm a Vegan advocate. All I said is it is an ethical issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Malthusianism vs Cornucopianism. If for some reason I could no longer afford to eat meat I sure as hell wouldn't waste money on Gates burgers. I would eat pasta, rice, beans, bread, veggies, nuts, seeds. Don't want any Gates crap.
Yes meat requires ~5X the resources as vegan foods per unit of energy/protein. That is inefficient. If you don't know the ethical issues than you've been living under a rock. And I never said I'm against animal agriculture or meat eating.
Industrial meat production of today needs 5x the resources of industrial vegan food production of today. Let's agree on this.
Otherwise cattle (goat/sheep similarly) grazing on meadows/ uncultivated land needs 0 of anything. That's how ancient population boomed. They had 0 industrial solutions and cattle was able to eat anywhere and supply fantastic nutritions.
Better than that, if you read Joel Salatin of Polyface farms fame. Ruminants/chickens/ducks/geese replenish the soil and can have a symbiotic relationship with crops, building & replenishing soil. So done properly, meat production is very much a healthy complement to crop production.
However, my limited understanding of the subject, reading more knowledgeable individuals, like Michael Shellenberger, is that the Salatin type livestock production will not be able to supply anywhere near the current level of meat consumption in modern population dense countries. Possible USA/Canada could do it but it would take a lot of land area and a lot of manpower. I can't say I've seen a solid analysis of the subject in terms of agricultural productivity.
I do wonder myself that instead of having >50% of the population unemployed, "useless eaters", drugged out in zombie land, pooping on the streets, living on UBI, which is what our great leaders in the WEF are planning, that wouldn't we better having many more smaller Salatin style family farms, employing the otherwise unemployable, leading healthy lives, producing healthy food for a healthy population. Some nations have been very successful with smaller family farms than big agro-giants, Japan for instance.
And quit giving vast amounts of land to Bill Gates/Soros/Bankster Robber Barons and their paid surrogates who are demanding vast amounts of land to be reserved, supposedly for "parks" and "nature reserves" that us serfs are not allowed to even visit. And now even worse, as Carbon Credit scam land reserves that $billionaires invest in for the Government Guaranteed Climate Change Net Zero Carbon Trading scam gravy train. These welfare bum creeps buy land with money they get to create out of thin air as the most incredible freebie gift ever given to anybody ever.
"The revolt against humanity is still new enough to appear outlandish, but it has already spread beyond the fringes of the intellectual world, and in the coming years and decades it has the potential to transform politics and society in profound ways."
The Fed is a literal cabal and remains a literal cabal. Hanging the owners of the Fed & other central banks would lead to an age of prosperity unlike any ever seen on Earth. Read their panic both times Americans set up monetary systems that had nothing to do with paying them interest on money created from thin air. Over Lincoln's greenbacks in particular:
"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." -- The London Times responding to Lincoln's decision to issue government Greenbacks to finance the Civil War, rather than agree to private banker's loans at 30% interest.
The Irish Famine in the 1840s was caused by the English elites and they steadfastly did the square root of fuck all about it as it would have been messing with capitalism and anyway it was God's will.
Before anyone has a go at me, I just want to say I am English (far from an elite) though and I find this deeply deeply shameful that most people will still worship the Royal family when they are part of the system that caused this.
Also, if it can be done once against a group of people who are deemed "unworthy" by the elites, they can do it again.
Bill Gate's father was high up board member of Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger wanted the clinics placed in minority communities and enlisted weak black pastors to get their congregations to recommend their services. One should ask why tptb are so concerned about 'equity' in the covid vxx agenda and all future vaccination programs?
I'll tell you my guess from following these people for over a decade now: the answer is oblivion for us, transhumanism for them. Of course they'll test the latter on us before we're obliterated.
We now recognize ourselves being used as research subjects. They lied about the need for research on animals in the guise of helping humanity. Yep Animal research is immoral, PETA bought off?, Instead of stopping animal research, wars, revise our financial systems ect...the solutions is mandatory human reduction. Do you think they might lie about their motivations or intentions in order to get you to jump off a clift?
Don't be so sure. Collapsing human civilization will not bode well for transhumanism, which at this point is just a SciFi dream. They want power and control and a subservient, obedient population.
The scamdemic worked well to indoctrinate and encourage new anti-humanists.
The social distancing, mask wearing, constant propaganda of threat of transmission, even with asymptomatics, threats to get the jab or be called a killer, forced electronic remote work and schooling with forced jabs (and face diapers).
I have noticed a sense of disgust toward others from some people, including in the medical profession. All of this psy-op is not only bad for health but for mental and spiritual wellbeing. The last three years have been an extreme form of dehumanizing us to each other, and sadly, the stress and mental illness made some indeed very vulnerable to the kool aid.
Bill Gates has been hosting annual meetings of the Rich and Influential for a very long time. Seattle residents are very familiar with them. Gates has 2 homes in Western Washington where these meetings have been held. His 66,000 sq.ft. mansion in Medina, WA(13 miles from Seattle and also home to Jeff Bezos) has been the host location for an annual meeting of the worlds’ business elite since 1991. The meeting was always shrouded in secrecy and featured the movers and shakers of the Tech industry and the Who’s Who of the worlds business elite. After the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was formed the Foundation became the meeting sponsor and it became known as the Grand Challenges Annual Meeting. There is little doubt that overpopulation was and remains one of the central agenda items. This meeting is still periodically hosted in Seattle and was held last year in Brussels. Other locations for the meeting have been London, Beijing, Berlin, New Delhi and Washington DC, among other cities.
Suffice it to say that not all Conspiracies are theories, and we know that the world’s Elite have been meeting and discussing what they consider to be the world’s most pressing problems(and how to solve them) for decades. In 2020 we got a very real sense that the meetings have not been just about talk, but about action.
My bad. I must be mentally retarded today -- come to think of it I was thinking that I might finally get a Covid shot... not sure what's wrong with me.
Can anyone explain to me why we steam oil out of sand? Why not just poke another hole in the ground and watch it burst forth?
Again you are being silly. Do you even know what the word infinite means? Resources are limited, population is limited, wealth is limited, time is limited, everything is limited. The rational question is what are those limits and how significant are they under current conditions. The answer is they are not a problem for the foreseeable future with rational economic policy.
Their heads absolutely spin at the thought of 10 billion humans. When they're speaking more honestly in their writings (the ones they think no average people read or written by the more ostentatious thought leaders), it's more clear that we're dealing with the fear & paranoia of slaveowners. They know (even if most of us don't) how much they're screwing us over financially and economically and with the health system and on and on. They know they're reaping all the benefits, and they know it's all about to collapse. Imagine you were in their position and the only thing keeping 7-8 billion people from swarming and tearing you limb from limb is mere ignorance...
You'd be afraid too. Especially the ones in America, surrounded by "useless eaters" with 400m guns and slightly fewer vehicles. They're rightfully terrified, and everything now depends on making good on their fears. Otherwise, they'll kill the 3-4 billion they want to initially take out.
If all these hypocrites want to depopulate the planet they should set the example by starting with themselves.
Exponential Growth Arithmetic, Population and Energy, Dr. Albert A. Bartlett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZA9Hnp3aV4
John B Calhoun was a behavioural researcher and ethologist who spent the largest part of his career at the US National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), in Maryland. His work spans six decades, from early experiments with rodents in the 1940s to his death in 1995. But he’s become recently spotlit for his work in 1958–62, starting with a quarter-acre pen of wild Norway rats, and a 1968–72 experiment with mice called Universe 25. Universe 25 was his research pinnacle – a “rodent utopia”.
Calhoun calculated that his pen of wild Norway rats (or brown rats, aka Parisian rats, Hanover rats, street rats, common rats, sewer rats, wharf rats… in essence, “rats” as you know them) could have a sustainable density of 5000, but the population strangely never exceeded 200. With extremely high rates of infant mortality, by the end of the 27th month of observation the population had stabilised at 150 adults.
Calhoun and his team were surprised by these unexpected results and so embarked on a more controlled experiment involving a population of domesticated Norway rats, conducted in a converted barn (a step up in luxury for the animals).
Calhoun’s new rat palace consisted of a 3m x 4.3m room, divided into four pens by an electrified fence. These pens contained everything a rat could possibly need: food, water, elevated burrows, winding staircases, nest boxes… a rodent wonderland. Ramps connected pen 1 to pen 2, 2 to 3, and 3 to 4, but not pen 1 to pen 4. This meant that rats tended to concentrate in pens 2 and 3, leading to the development of what Calhoun dubbed a “behavioural sink”: a sort of voluntary overcrowding that resulted from the original, involuntary overcrowding, and led to significant changes in the rats’ behaviour.
These changes weren’t at the good end of the scale.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/mathematics/calhoun-rodent-experiments/
I’m sure you’ve seen this on CommieTube. I’ve seen it. It’s actually quite disturbing. It’s a definite advertisement NOT to live in a city! And it was sad. I’m an animal lover (not sewer rats).🐀
And this is relevant, how? Talk about going off into hyperspace.
If you don't see the relevance now, or yet, then hopefully you will remain openminded, and teachable, and continue to think and learn unil you finally graduate elementary school, and may begin your higher college & university-level education. BTW, the important lessons of these rat experiments are very nuanced, and do NOT have any 1-to-1 application to human experience. The results should be seen as suggestive, only....
They can be quite relevant on a societal level, if they are heavily critiqued. Recall the highly promoted rat experiment on cocaine & heroine usage which was debunked by another rat experiment that was more sophisticated and better designed.
But here we are not talking overcrowding, there is easily plenty of space for humans to live with lots of green space, even in population dense Bangladesh, look on Google and see all the empty space. That is just an issue of good urban planning and a rational socioeconomic system.
This topic is about Malthusianism and the ridiculous claim by the Psychopath Parasites that the World can not sustain anywhere near the current 8B. Most of them are claiming 1-2B max. Utter nonsense.
that's totally sillly.. looking on google to see where humans live.. if you looked on a map of British Columbia here, you would see plenty of free space. Cause it's all mountains.. you can't farm it. People live in the valley bottoms... and it's not so much a matter of where you live as where you can grow crops. Food is the limiting factor.
Nonsense. I've been to BC. It is mostly entirely habitable land and has a huge agricultural industry and a vast potential for more. Mountainous regions, difficult to inhabit are a small portion of BC's land area. Go on Google Earth view and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Food is a limiting factor and Bangladesh even has not exceeded that limiting factor with a population density of 1141/sq.km. USA with 35/sq.km. Canada with 4/sq.km.
In Netherlands they farm up to 7m below sea level and are a wealthy country. They are the #2 agricultural exporter in the World @ $94B vs #1 USA @$150B. While Holland is #69 in population & #131 by area and not even a warm or sunny environment. With a population density of 520/sq.km.
And Japan supplies 70% of their food on 13% of their land mass, with 157m people on a small resource poor island and very high living standard. With a population density of 330/sq.km.
USA agricultural land area is 1.2B acres, total land area is 2.3B acres. That's 16 acres of agricultural land per family of 4. That's hardly crowded.
Hahaha... it's not relevant?
How many Rat Juice boosters have you had?
Whaaaat , you don’t see the problem!
Maybe they are subsconsciously. Then again Jim Jones also drank his koolaid, no?
Well in truth they sort of do. Rich people generally don't have many kids, and they consciously or unconsciously hate the fact that poop people can in a sense compete with them for ultimate influence by having more kids.
It's a scary problem and the only decent long-term solution is development into some sort of truly peer-based system. Of course this would require a massive clean-up of politics to have any chance of happening and definitely isn't what the people on top are talking about at the moment.
rangevoting.org
You are using assumptions that are simple but real life is so much more complex.
It is so weird that even after all the Covid crap and the obvious way that politics has been utterly corrupted people still think that politics can be vcleaned up.
How?
Honestly, I would love to know how because there are corporations spending billions ensuring that they get their way each and every time.
And what’s funny, is WE outnumber them big time! People MUST take their individual power back! And I do practice what I preach! I lost my job of 23 years because I refused a test, subsequently it would have been the jab. My supervisors wouldn’t allow me back in the building on my lunch break. I grocery shopped while I was berated by customers and store clerks. One clerk at Safeway took an item out of my hand and refused service…all this and then some because I refused to wear a mask. Are you KIDDING me???? I’ll keep my language respectful.
TAKE YOUR FREEDOM AND POWER BACK FROM THESE TYRANTS!
And it will get harder the more you acquiesce! It makes it harder for people that cherish their FREEDOM! If not for you, think of your children and grandchildren. This isn’t rocket science. Thank you.
did you look at the link? rangevoting.org
politics are inevitably ugly but we could improve things by probably orders of magnitude by using a genuinely competitive voting system. Truth is right now most people's votes don't matter *at all*. This makes it easy for all the obvious rot to persist indefinitely.
I did but I am in the UK.
I will admit the detail is always in the data and this was exceptionally detailed.
The problem we have in England is that Sunak, Truss, Boris et al can even get elected in the first place.
The fact that they can get elected has a lot to do with the media, and the media in turn turns out to be heavily influenced by the voting system. I don't believe (as the rangevoting.org author sort of appears to) that the media is ignorant of the effects of the voting system on their reporting, but either way it makes their job as propagandists much easier. Some details:
https://rangevoting.org/Media.html
https://rangevoting.org/MediaLapdogs.html
One thing that bugs the hell out of me is it seems to be pretty much impossible to get *any* alternative media figure sufficiently interested in the above considerations that they actually mention it. Too boring I guess, even though it has a profound effect on the very issue they care most about (Caitlin herself has written that her most-read articles by far are the ones that hit topics mainstream dems are talking about).
Rule #1: If you have to call yourselves the good guys, you aren't.
I really appreciate your stack, but your comments on other stacks are my favorite substack Easter eggs.
Sounds like that should be a rule amended into the Art of War. Amazing. Just like people who wear their badge or always have their cross exposed to show how "good"they are. Nothing against christians, I believe in God, but some virtue signal way to much IMO.
Gates (et al): we need less people. Me: you guys first.
They aren't actual people.
as characterized here?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21h0G_gU9Tw
OK then I don't mind but please make it quick for me.
Never take medical advice from folks who believe the world is overpopulated.
ya the planet's resources are infinite... 8B is not a problem
NO, NOT "infinite", but theoretically, very sustainable IF MANAGED SUSTAINABLY, regardless of population numbers....
"Sustainable" is garbage talk also because available resources to support a changing human population is determined by the technology available at the time. Resources are only resources if the technology is developed to use the resource. Oil wasn't a resource until we learned how to use it. So the real truth is talking about "sustainability" is tantamount to claiming you have a crystal ball and can see the future.
I'm using "sustainable" in a different, non-propaganda sense. I intend it to define & describe a person-centered process as opposed to a process-centered process, and to a services-centered system, as opposed to a system-centered system. I assert the subtle distinction has profound import far beyond the obvious nuance. I suggest "sustainable" as a desired paradigm, not as the tool of rhetorical control as it's currently employed.... Do you get my drift? Spaceship Earth/Mother Earth-MotherNature needs a re-educated & trained crew, not abandonment, mutiny, or the satanic depopulation agenda.... Transhumanism & Technocracy should be seen as dire warnings to the People of Planet Earth, not as desired goals, which the Globalist Banksters & Ruling Elites uses them as.
The crew of the spaceship have been partying non stop and the place is kinda trashed... the new generation of crewbies need some good training... the old crew could just retire to someplace warm.
It ain't trashed. It is improving except for birdbrain idiots promoting idiotic, self-serving ideologies, like pushing wind & solar. That alone would trash the World more than all the other trash put together. And almost all the "trash" is in developing countries due to poverty. What are the ruling Malthusian elites demanding? Answer: Increase the poverty. That makes sense.
It shows how much bullshit TPTB talk though doesn't it?
Another example, someone wanting to use their car in the new Oxford Envirocity thing is "unsustainable" yet at the same time private jets for them to meet up in Davos are totally "sustainable".
It is true the elites have ruined the term sustainable. And now the conservatives pile on and claim that the planet can handle another couple hundred years of trashing... too many fucked up people on this planet for sure...
They has to ruin the term though because THEY are the ones that aren't "sustainable".
I am not advocating this at all but if all the politicians and all the elites disappeared tomorrow I honestly think that we would be better off in that without the propaganda and bullshit we could concentrate on the things that matter.
Sure there would be a few fuck-ups along the way but for one thing the constant "divide and rule" thing would be gone.
I would go with advocating it. They want you gone, and me so I'm good with getting rid of them.
But unfortunately instead we allow people to be homeless, reources to be wasted and all sorts of evil shit in pursuit of a totally made-up concept called money.
As the Bible says in Timothy,: "love of money is the root of all evil". But the answer is NOT to hate money, as you seem to express in contempt....
Money itself is nothing though.
If there was no electricity for a few weeks, people would have no access to money therefore it is meaningless.
Really? What a stupid comment! There is a thriving underground economy based on cash, which would be largely unaffected by a "power outage". You might not like money, but it is hardly "meaningless". Your claim is both irrational & illogical.....
Not possible.
Japan is your post child with more diapers sold to geriatrics than babies.
The country has not collapsed only because they have been allowed to run up epic levels of debt - they are too big to fail so they don't get called out on it.
Who pays the pensions when there are so many elderly? Who pays the health care costs? Who pays the taxes to keep the country viable? And last but not least at some point the debt servicing becomes untenable .. and BOOM.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/looming-financial-crisis-2023-rising-interest-rates-by-kenneth-rogoff-2023-01
Should be no problem. Corruption is a problem. Debt is just the idiotic way our private Bankster criminals have demanded we create money. You can wipe that out with a few keyboard presses. Real things, real production that is what a REAL economy is. Not made up crap like debt.
And Japan supplies 70% of their food on 13% of their land mass, with 157m people on a small resource poor island and very high living standard. With a population density of 330/sq.km.
Almost all food production involves petro chemical derived fertilizers and pesticides. These will not be available post collapse.
The Japanese will be eating each other.
Petrochemicals are just 16% of oil consumption. The other 84% can readily be replaced with methanol produced from coal or any biomass. Nuclear energy can replace all energy essentially forever.
No, they are not infinite and they don't need to be infinite because humanity isn't anywhere remotely close to "infinite" and never will be. "Infinite" is nutty, nonsensical talk.
Keep reading substacks
Glad you’re here to learn new information
koa, thank you!
Not mine originally.
I just saw a meme to that effect.
But it is fundamentally true.
An extremely important topic! Thanks for bringing it up!
I also discussed it recently:
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/curbing-overpopulation-bill-gates
Del Bigtree has a great interview with Michael Yon on the Highwire pertaining to what is happening on the ground across the globe with respect to depopulation. Aside from the Plandemic, its already started in earnest with restrictions on fertilizer production and will only get worse. Much worse. He thinks it reasonably likely that there will be mass starvation even in the US. Pandemic, famine, and war always go together. Always.
Yes- always goes together. But, he said! This one is man-made. Yon said this many, many times in the interview. I think we’ve all figured that out. Western Nations, perhaps NATO, are being targeted by someone in many’s opinion.
Not just fertilizer but food production in general, including agricultural land availability. And most of all by forcing us to be reliant upon nutty wind and solar energy scams.
They got one of my family members on board already. She said "the planet would be better off without us".. Cultivating self Darwining..
Of course it would.
Give us another 50 years and we'll have paved the entire thing over...
Then of course there are the billions of poor animals who are kept in horrifying conditions (worse than the worst Soviet gulag) so that 8 billion of us can eat.
Did I mention the animal experiments that we conduct so we can have such things as tear free shampoo?
I highly recommend this https://youtu.be/DGtedZSF1lc
"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot"
What happens to every animal in the wild?
They are killed by a predator and eaten. Or they starve to death, and are eaten. Or they die of disease, and are eaten. Every animal, from the tiniest bug to the largest whale. And some if not most are eaten alive.
Just sayin.
Yep but while they are alive they get to roam free ... outwitting predators... having a fantastic time most of the time ... enduring a bit of suffering but that's part of living ... it's ain't all just pulling into the Walmart and loading up with Doritos... and flopping on the sofa to watch the Tee Vee....
Now let's look at what we do to the animals in our gulags:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/33/d8/ff33d86a68945dc0f70fc88b3847cd57.jpg
https://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ag-gag-factory-farming-1.jpg
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/25/industrial-farming-one-worst-crimes-history-ethical-question
Tell you what --- since you think there's not a whole lot of difference...
I'll pay for your flight to Queenstown --- pick you up in the airport --- I'll bring you to my place out in the country and lock you in a cage --- I'll make sure all your needs are taken care of --- no need to worry about food or water -- everything will be done for you.
No need to deal with the stresses of roaming free --- no demanding bosses... no bills to pay ... no whining spouse... to screeching children... just hassle free living in the cage.
Let me know your preferred travel date, full name -- and I'll organize that ticket for you now.
they're not all kept in cages or millions in a barn.. same with humans btw.. we'll all die but how we live is what is what.
We only do this cuz there are 8B humans to feed - they cannot be fed using humane methods... therefore these industrial farms must exist - or we starve
Humans are the problem. Obviously
almost all animals are raised this way... how do you think China feeds over a billion people?
And my offer is extended to you - if you think it's not so bad then I'll buy you a ticket to Queenstown and I'll reserve a cage for you -- we'll fatten you up then load you into a van to be transferred to the ultimate hell on earth - the abattoir aka The Death Camp ... you get to run down a ramp frightened out of your mind -- and get a bolt shot into the side of your head... killing you instantly. Then we butcher you and since it's illegal to feed human meat to humans we'll feed you to the pigs.
since when is it illegal to feed humans to humans? Damn that Bill Gates!!!
Animals aren't necessary for food, in fact are inefficient food production. Really has nothing whatsoever to do with population limits. It's an ethical issue that must be decided upon on that basis.
You eat your bio sludge toxic waste called impossible burger, funded by Gates.
Get horrible stomach cancer and call it climate change
Who said I'm a Vegan advocate. All I said is it is an ethical issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with Malthusianism vs Cornucopianism. If for some reason I could no longer afford to eat meat I sure as hell wouldn't waste money on Gates burgers. I would eat pasta, rice, beans, bread, veggies, nuts, seeds. Don't want any Gates crap.
Oh please
Animals are not inefficient food production.
Ethical issue? About what?
Yes meat requires ~5X the resources as vegan foods per unit of energy/protein. That is inefficient. If you don't know the ethical issues than you've been living under a rock. And I never said I'm against animal agriculture or meat eating.
Industrial meat production of today needs 5x the resources of industrial vegan food production of today. Let's agree on this.
Otherwise cattle (goat/sheep similarly) grazing on meadows/ uncultivated land needs 0 of anything. That's how ancient population boomed. They had 0 industrial solutions and cattle was able to eat anywhere and supply fantastic nutritions.
Better than that, if you read Joel Salatin of Polyface farms fame. Ruminants/chickens/ducks/geese replenish the soil and can have a symbiotic relationship with crops, building & replenishing soil. So done properly, meat production is very much a healthy complement to crop production.
However, my limited understanding of the subject, reading more knowledgeable individuals, like Michael Shellenberger, is that the Salatin type livestock production will not be able to supply anywhere near the current level of meat consumption in modern population dense countries. Possible USA/Canada could do it but it would take a lot of land area and a lot of manpower. I can't say I've seen a solid analysis of the subject in terms of agricultural productivity.
I do wonder myself that instead of having >50% of the population unemployed, "useless eaters", drugged out in zombie land, pooping on the streets, living on UBI, which is what our great leaders in the WEF are planning, that wouldn't we better having many more smaller Salatin style family farms, employing the otherwise unemployable, leading healthy lives, producing healthy food for a healthy population. Some nations have been very successful with smaller family farms than big agro-giants, Japan for instance.
And quit giving vast amounts of land to Bill Gates/Soros/Bankster Robber Barons and their paid surrogates who are demanding vast amounts of land to be reserved, supposedly for "parks" and "nature reserves" that us serfs are not allowed to even visit. And now even worse, as Carbon Credit scam land reserves that $billionaires invest in for the Government Guaranteed Climate Change Net Zero Carbon Trading scam gravy train. These welfare bum creeps buy land with money they get to create out of thin air as the most incredible freebie gift ever given to anybody ever.
WILLIAM KAY on Ecofascism and Landlordism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVhTlQJYOu8
https://polyfacefarms.com/
Just about everything is tested on animals - from soap to food additives to any medical procedure...
Either way it does not matter -- how many billion animals are the gulag suffering right now?
Anyone who stops this nightmare - deserves a gold medal
the mills of God grind slow, but they grind exceeding fine
So you believe everyone who doesn’t do as you do has zero empathy.
Hmmm
Sounds like the narcissist Billionaire class deciding their opinion is the only opinion.
Me?
I can see you are empathetic but you have been lied to about animal testing.
Every component or ingredient is tested on animals but not the finished product.
It is sick that you clearly want to do the right thing but you can't because those bastard elites lie.
Oh so they don't do testing on animals?
What's this?
https://youtu.be/DGtedZSF1lc
https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/6-horrific-experiments/
Fake news right. Duh
Look at the third line of my post above,
Someone is fucking with the order of these comments and some have disappeared with no deletion message
I KNOW THAT ANIMALS ARE TESTED ON, SICK LD50 TESTS AND THE LIKE.
Please tell me this is sarcasm.
Why would it be sarcasm?
You think animals enjoy being tortured?
Oh that's ok though right cuz they are animals.
Sarcasm? I am DEAD serious
Someone has fucked with these comments, I replied to a comment which has now completely vanished.
I have got a link to it in my notifications.
I was replying about to someone who posted that they don't use stuff tested on animals.
Move to Canada and join the MAIDS program then? There’s your out if you really want to stand by your convictions.
Well bless her little pea-picking heart. She’s full of virtue, isn’t she?
"The revolt against humanity is still new enough to appear outlandish, but it has already spread beyond the fringes of the intellectual world, and in the coming years and decades it has the potential to transform politics and society in profound ways."
Millennials are already carrying this banner.
They ALWAYS meet in secret, the ultra- rich... the Fed started this way as well, in secret.
The Fed is a literal cabal and remains a literal cabal. Hanging the owners of the Fed & other central banks would lead to an age of prosperity unlike any ever seen on Earth. Read their panic both times Americans set up monetary systems that had nothing to do with paying them interest on money created from thin air. Over Lincoln's greenbacks in particular:
"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." -- The London Times responding to Lincoln's decision to issue government Greenbacks to finance the Civil War, rather than agree to private banker's loans at 30% interest.
Excellent post. Yes. These "people" are genuine multi-generational eugenicists and near 100% psychopaths.
The Irish Famine in the 1840s was caused by the English elites and they steadfastly did the square root of fuck all about it as it would have been messing with capitalism and anyway it was God's will.
Before anyone has a go at me, I just want to say I am English (far from an elite) though and I find this deeply deeply shameful that most people will still worship the Royal family when they are part of the system that caused this.
Also, if it can be done once against a group of people who are deemed "unworthy" by the elites, they can do it again.
Check out Yemen and Afghanistan for the latest is man made famines.
...And, Ukraine and much of Africa.
I am pressing the heart button because I agree with what you have posted not because I like it.
Just thought I should explain that as I always feel "bad" for pressing the heart under a comment about suffering.
Sure, substack is missing the anger button and the sad button..
Bill Gate's father was high up board member of Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger wanted the clinics placed in minority communities and enlisted weak black pastors to get their congregations to recommend their services. One should ask why tptb are so concerned about 'equity' in the covid vxx agenda and all future vaccination programs?
I'll tell you my guess from following these people for over a decade now: the answer is oblivion for us, transhumanism for them. Of course they'll test the latter on us before we're obliterated.
We now recognize ourselves being used as research subjects. They lied about the need for research on animals in the guise of helping humanity. Yep Animal research is immoral, PETA bought off?, Instead of stopping animal research, wars, revise our financial systems ect...the solutions is mandatory human reduction. Do you think they might lie about their motivations or intentions in order to get you to jump off a clift?
Don't be so sure. Collapsing human civilization will not bode well for transhumanism, which at this point is just a SciFi dream. They want power and control and a subservient, obedient population.
The scamdemic worked well to indoctrinate and encourage new anti-humanists.
The social distancing, mask wearing, constant propaganda of threat of transmission, even with asymptomatics, threats to get the jab or be called a killer, forced electronic remote work and schooling with forced jabs (and face diapers).
I have noticed a sense of disgust toward others from some people, including in the medical profession. All of this psy-op is not only bad for health but for mental and spiritual wellbeing. The last three years have been an extreme form of dehumanizing us to each other, and sadly, the stress and mental illness made some indeed very vulnerable to the kool aid.
Bill Gates has been hosting annual meetings of the Rich and Influential for a very long time. Seattle residents are very familiar with them. Gates has 2 homes in Western Washington where these meetings have been held. His 66,000 sq.ft. mansion in Medina, WA(13 miles from Seattle and also home to Jeff Bezos) has been the host location for an annual meeting of the worlds’ business elite since 1991. The meeting was always shrouded in secrecy and featured the movers and shakers of the Tech industry and the Who’s Who of the worlds business elite. After the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was formed the Foundation became the meeting sponsor and it became known as the Grand Challenges Annual Meeting. There is little doubt that overpopulation was and remains one of the central agenda items. This meeting is still periodically hosted in Seattle and was held last year in Brussels. Other locations for the meeting have been London, Beijing, Berlin, New Delhi and Washington DC, among other cities.
Suffice it to say that not all Conspiracies are theories, and we know that the world’s Elite have been meeting and discussing what they consider to be the world’s most pressing problems(and how to solve them) for decades. In 2020 we got a very real sense that the meetings have not been just about talk, but about action.
Bill Gates has to be one of the sickest most evil men on the planet. If he disappeared tomorrow it would be a favor to the rest of mankind .
When's the last time you heard the MSM mention the "Bilderbergers"?.....
They won't be eradicating themselves though will they?
If you were they ... and you believed the Earth's resources were finite... who would you exterminate?
Finite resources is not an issue, not even remotely close to an issue. You might as well talk about a shortage of space in Space.
Oh yes of course resources are infinite.
My bad. I must be mentally retarded today -- come to think of it I was thinking that I might finally get a Covid shot... not sure what's wrong with me.
Can anyone explain to me why we steam oil out of sand? Why not just poke another hole in the ground and watch it burst forth?
Again you are being silly. Do you even know what the word infinite means? Resources are limited, population is limited, wealth is limited, time is limited, everything is limited. The rational question is what are those limits and how significant are they under current conditions. The answer is they are not a problem for the foreseeable future with rational economic policy.
That's good to hear!
Great post. In this broken hearted world trust your own heart. It cannot fail to guide you. Listen deeply.
Their heads absolutely spin at the thought of 10 billion humans. When they're speaking more honestly in their writings (the ones they think no average people read or written by the more ostentatious thought leaders), it's more clear that we're dealing with the fear & paranoia of slaveowners. They know (even if most of us don't) how much they're screwing us over financially and economically and with the health system and on and on. They know they're reaping all the benefits, and they know it's all about to collapse. Imagine you were in their position and the only thing keeping 7-8 billion people from swarming and tearing you limb from limb is mere ignorance...
You'd be afraid too. Especially the ones in America, surrounded by "useless eaters" with 400m guns and slightly fewer vehicles. They're rightfully terrified, and everything now depends on making good on their fears. Otherwise, they'll kill the 3-4 billion they want to initially take out.
I never understood before why Americans wanted to keep their guns so badly.
Consider me educated because I get it now, I really do get it.