What I find most disturbing is that a whole life sentence without parole can be imposed upon someone without a single piece of empirical evidence. We should all be outraged by a regime that can and does protect itself in this manner, it means that none of us is safe.
Has anyone ever tried to converse with anyone in the NHS about systemic failings? I have much experience of NHS services via work and through family. It is a system infested with incompetents - trust me on this - but you can never, never talk about failings to anyone; they just refuse to reply - literal blank faces and silent stares until you shut up. It's beyond weird.
I was aware of the de Berk case having read about it in " Bad Science " and the Letby case reminded me of it. There's a similar Canadian case too. I don't know if Lucy Letby is innocent or guilty but nothing feels right about the whole thing and the extreme vilification of her by the media has been awful.
I was reminded of the Canadian case too. Here's an interesting clip from a story published in 2019 by Global News:
'Elizabeth Wettlaufer, Canada’s only known health care serial killer, wouldn’t have been caught if she hadn’t confessed. ...
Over the course of nine years ending in 2016, Wettlaufer, a registered nurse, killed eight and attempted to kill others by injecting her victims with insulin.
They were not mercy killings, Commissioner Eileen E. Gillese wrote in her final report, released Wednesday. Wettlaufer killed “for her own gratification and for no other reason.”'
I know many years ago as a young nurse (I am retired now) if I made a mistake I was the first to blame myself, I would go over and over the mistake I made castigating myself with thoughts that I am glad I did not write down. If I had written those thoughts down then it would look as if I was guilty of doing something deliberate but it was just the thoughts of an immature girl who felt terrible about making a mistake. It is a hard experience but sometimes necessary so that you learn from it. Lucy writing down her thoughts can just be the writings of a distraught young nurse learning and should not be taken out of context.
Something more I think is important. It is a hard lesson that people resist learning.
You (general you), the individual person, can't fight the machine, and when in your innocence and pure motives you collude with it you help to make things worse.
If you see that (in any industry or organization) the power structure where you work is allowing dangerous conditions to persist and worsen; when it is clear to you that they don't take complaints seriously or try to stifle them, you leave. Make a full documentation if you can, in a handwritten notebook, put it in a safe deposit box and leave. If you are involved, as here, in the care of fragile infants where everything is being bungled by the stupidity or malfeasance or just laziness of others, and you stay, being overworked and undersupported, you are not going to save the day. If you cover a shift because they have no one else, you are contributing to the factors stopping improvement or outcry to regulators or the press.
This is equally true in places like Boeing where whistleblowers banged their own heads fruitlessly against the machine. If you know that safety is compromised, do not stay and work there. Better to work in a convenience store if you must.
I know most people can't afford to walk away, to sacrifice a career, to get themselves subtly blacklisted in the industry for quitting even if they keep their mouths shut in the interim.
But when you help keep the place running badly and dangerously you are part of it. Leave, be safer, then consult lawyers or investigative journalists etc. etc. with the evidence you accumulated but don't keep helping the dark side against your will.
It is an efficient killing machine that can be dialed up or down at will. It is also a very handy taxation extraction device for the benefit of the medical-industrial complex.
Exactly. It drives me nuts when people in Canada say, "but we have FREE healthcare." It is anything but - it's the most expensive system you can possibly have because it extorts your tax dollars AND ruins your health.
Have you anything in the UK comparable to The Innocence Project here in the US? But I'd guess, if this is a cover-up and switching of blame from system to individual, that the various pressures the State can exert on anyone who'd initially be willing to take a case like this would be ferocious.
I've only just started reading The New Yorker article you link and my earlier reads of this story were from the Daily Mail Online, so I'd need to read everything you link to, in full, to make any truly sensible comment.
But I am a little troubled by Letby's notes. I do not agree with the defense's explanation for them. There is something strange and histrionic and stagey about them. The two you quoted sound off to me in a blatant, not subtle way.
Sometimes there are weird coincidences in life, confluences of timing. Is it possible that Letby was both innocent of the deaths but developing some mental illness at least partially triggered by exhaustion, overwork and distress over the deaths?
There was also a hint in that New Yorker article of a young woman perhaps trying to escape a stiflingly loving family and she was also quite young to have to be dealing with such seriously ill babies on a very poorly staffed and equipped ward.
But maybe indeed she was the perfect scapegoat--someone struggling with some sort of instability at the worst possible time.
A previous analysis of the "confession note" that I have seen looked at the handwriting, the ink etc. There are things missing in the above extracts eg "they say that I did it" not simply "I did it"
I was fairly well convinced by the analysis that I read, but I can't remember where it was published.
Earlier reports also called into question the competence (and ability to use equipment involved properly) of the physicians involved in several of the deaths. I have not read enough of the evidence to determine if this aspect was adequately examined in Court but it might be another part of the NHS issue raised here?
Now that I've read the entire New Yorker article I guess Lucy will need to take her place waiting for justice behind all those killed, one way or another, by the vax, and their endlessly grieving families and friends too. Because the scandal is so massive in a fair universe it would take down the entire nation.
Well, maybe with Labour's taking over government that will happen without any further divine intervention. But if Lucy isn't saved soon there won't be anything much left to rescue, considering how well they've destroyed her already.
Interestingly, Labours proposal to solve the prison overcrowding crisis is to close the entire women's prison estate, about 4 prisons, and use them to house men. So wonder where she will end up?
I can relate to feeling "The System" is on trial, but it cannot possibly be found guilty, so a scapegoat is needed. Felt that a little with the Lauren Dickason case, and couldn't shake the idea that NZ went after her hard, because they couldn't be put in a position where they would have to admit culpability re their lockdown and quarantine procedures.
A big difference: she admitted killing her girls. But even though the jury did not accept the insanity defence, the judge kinda did in his sentencing.
I disagree. Lauren D's mental health issues were present long before the family decided to move to New Zealand. Lockdown and quarantine may have made these issues worse but what had the authorities to cover up? I'm not very happy that the judge decided to basically ignore the jury's decision in his sentencing. If a father had cold bloodedly killed his children in the same way would you feel sorry for him?
So this nurse is convicted on what seems to be, at best, circumstantial evidence, yet the criminal Hancock - who presided over what amounts to gerontocide in the care home system - walks free and strutting amongst us. I’m sure a decent statistician could prepare a better case against him for his crimes than the state did against Lucy Letby.
I wrote a substack about this trial too. Like this writer I'm highly suspicious. It's worth noting that NHS managers and union protected Letby against her accusers, which must have made them hate her even more.
What I find most disturbing is that a whole life sentence without parole can be imposed upon someone without a single piece of empirical evidence. We should all be outraged by a regime that can and does protect itself in this manner, it means that none of us is safe.
And without an opportunity to appeal. 😑
Statistical evidence shouldn't even exist.
Thank you for the summary and for posting.
In these corrupt times, never take at face value anything from officialdom, least of all the NHS and the judicial system.
Has anyone ever tried to converse with anyone in the NHS about systemic failings? I have much experience of NHS services via work and through family. It is a system infested with incompetents - trust me on this - but you can never, never talk about failings to anyone; they just refuse to reply - literal blank faces and silent stares until you shut up. It's beyond weird.
I too have had first hand experience of this. Child like lying is another symptom of the corruption which was manifest during the scamdemic.
I was aware of the de Berk case having read about it in " Bad Science " and the Letby case reminded me of it. There's a similar Canadian case too. I don't know if Lucy Letby is innocent or guilty but nothing feels right about the whole thing and the extreme vilification of her by the media has been awful.
I was reminded of the Canadian case too. Here's an interesting clip from a story published in 2019 by Global News:
'Elizabeth Wettlaufer, Canada’s only known health care serial killer, wouldn’t have been caught if she hadn’t confessed. ...
Over the course of nine years ending in 2016, Wettlaufer, a registered nurse, killed eight and attempted to kill others by injecting her victims with insulin.
They were not mercy killings, Commissioner Eileen E. Gillese wrote in her final report, released Wednesday. Wettlaufer killed “for her own gratification and for no other reason.”'
https://globalnews.ca/news/5707936/elizabeth-wettlaufer-inquiry-confession/
I know many years ago as a young nurse (I am retired now) if I made a mistake I was the first to blame myself, I would go over and over the mistake I made castigating myself with thoughts that I am glad I did not write down. If I had written those thoughts down then it would look as if I was guilty of doing something deliberate but it was just the thoughts of an immature girl who felt terrible about making a mistake. It is a hard experience but sometimes necessary so that you learn from it. Lucy writing down her thoughts can just be the writings of a distraught young nurse learning and should not be taken out of context.
🎯
Something more I think is important. It is a hard lesson that people resist learning.
You (general you), the individual person, can't fight the machine, and when in your innocence and pure motives you collude with it you help to make things worse.
If you see that (in any industry or organization) the power structure where you work is allowing dangerous conditions to persist and worsen; when it is clear to you that they don't take complaints seriously or try to stifle them, you leave. Make a full documentation if you can, in a handwritten notebook, put it in a safe deposit box and leave. If you are involved, as here, in the care of fragile infants where everything is being bungled by the stupidity or malfeasance or just laziness of others, and you stay, being overworked and undersupported, you are not going to save the day. If you cover a shift because they have no one else, you are contributing to the factors stopping improvement or outcry to regulators or the press.
This is equally true in places like Boeing where whistleblowers banged their own heads fruitlessly against the machine. If you know that safety is compromised, do not stay and work there. Better to work in a convenience store if you must.
I know most people can't afford to walk away, to sacrifice a career, to get themselves subtly blacklisted in the industry for quitting even if they keep their mouths shut in the interim.
But when you help keep the place running badly and dangerously you are part of it. Leave, be safer, then consult lawyers or investigative journalists etc. etc. with the evidence you accumulated but don't keep helping the dark side against your will.
🎯 Fantastic post.
“Better to work in a convenience store if you must.” 💯
I feel strongly about the UK’s NHS too. But not in the same way that Letby’s barrister does.
It is an efficient killing machine that can be dialed up or down at will. It is also a very handy taxation extraction device for the benefit of the medical-industrial complex.
Exactly. It drives me nuts when people in Canada say, "but we have FREE healthcare." It is anything but - it's the most expensive system you can possibly have because it extorts your tax dollars AND ruins your health.
Have you anything in the UK comparable to The Innocence Project here in the US? But I'd guess, if this is a cover-up and switching of blame from system to individual, that the various pressures the State can exert on anyone who'd initially be willing to take a case like this would be ferocious.
I've only just started reading The New Yorker article you link and my earlier reads of this story were from the Daily Mail Online, so I'd need to read everything you link to, in full, to make any truly sensible comment.
But I am a little troubled by Letby's notes. I do not agree with the defense's explanation for them. There is something strange and histrionic and stagey about them. The two you quoted sound off to me in a blatant, not subtle way.
Sometimes there are weird coincidences in life, confluences of timing. Is it possible that Letby was both innocent of the deaths but developing some mental illness at least partially triggered by exhaustion, overwork and distress over the deaths?
There was also a hint in that New Yorker article of a young woman perhaps trying to escape a stiflingly loving family and she was also quite young to have to be dealing with such seriously ill babies on a very poorly staffed and equipped ward.
But maybe indeed she was the perfect scapegoat--someone struggling with some sort of instability at the worst possible time.
A previous analysis of the "confession note" that I have seen looked at the handwriting, the ink etc. There are things missing in the above extracts eg "they say that I did it" not simply "I did it"
I was fairly well convinced by the analysis that I read, but I can't remember where it was published.
Yes, there is an Innocence project here.
They gonna get cracking, or what?
It's up to the prisoner and their legal team to apply.
https://www.gre.ac.uk/las/law-criminology/innocence-project#:~:text=The%20Innocence%20Project%20London%20aims,exhausted%20the%20criminal%20appeals%20process.
I feel extremely sorry for Lucy. Having worked in the nhs for two yrs., it was not a good experience.
Earlier reports also called into question the competence (and ability to use equipment involved properly) of the physicians involved in several of the deaths. I have not read enough of the evidence to determine if this aspect was adequately examined in Court but it might be another part of the NHS issue raised here?
Now that I've read the entire New Yorker article I guess Lucy will need to take her place waiting for justice behind all those killed, one way or another, by the vax, and their endlessly grieving families and friends too. Because the scandal is so massive in a fair universe it would take down the entire nation.
Well, maybe with Labour's taking over government that will happen without any further divine intervention. But if Lucy isn't saved soon there won't be anything much left to rescue, considering how well they've destroyed her already.
Interestingly, Labours proposal to solve the prison overcrowding crisis is to close the entire women's prison estate, about 4 prisons, and use them to house men. So wonder where she will end up?
I'm not one to defend the NHS, but everything points to this woman being a scapegoat.
I can relate to feeling "The System" is on trial, but it cannot possibly be found guilty, so a scapegoat is needed. Felt that a little with the Lauren Dickason case, and couldn't shake the idea that NZ went after her hard, because they couldn't be put in a position where they would have to admit culpability re their lockdown and quarantine procedures.
A big difference: she admitted killing her girls. But even though the jury did not accept the insanity defence, the judge kinda did in his sentencing.
I disagree. Lauren D's mental health issues were present long before the family decided to move to New Zealand. Lockdown and quarantine may have made these issues worse but what had the authorities to cover up? I'm not very happy that the judge decided to basically ignore the jury's decision in his sentencing. If a father had cold bloodedly killed his children in the same way would you feel sorry for him?
So this nurse is convicted on what seems to be, at best, circumstantial evidence, yet the criminal Hancock - who presided over what amounts to gerontocide in the care home system - walks free and strutting amongst us. I’m sure a decent statistician could prepare a better case against him for his crimes than the state did against Lucy Letby.
I wrote a substack about this trial too. Like this writer I'm highly suspicious. It's worth noting that NHS managers and union protected Letby against her accusers, which must have made them hate her even more.
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