How I wish I could delve back into the BBC archives for HYS and bring up the quotes I made over 20 years ago when China was 'the place to do business' according to Western Governments. I said the problem is obvious. "China is in the business of politics and the West is in the politics of business" - and China will win easily. I should have gone into politics almost everything I said was to be avoided is proving to be exactly correct. Here's the latest Net Zero is insane, avoid it. Trans enthusiasts including those in the medical profession will be the centre of then next "Child abuse' scandal, and NO one should vote for any of the GreenPlaidSNPLibLabCons - do that and we will continue down the path to economic suicide and starvation.
Yup…anyone bitching about how successful China is should blame the governments that thought it was a bright idea to offshore factories and jobs to China just so the investors could have higher profits and pay employees less. Jim Kunstler has a great essay on the many cities that have been devastated after Clinton signed NAFTA.
"It is nevertheless concerning that the security community, and the Government in general, were aware of many of these issues several years ago and yet we are only now beginning to see the introduction of measures taken to protect UK sovereign interests."
It's really not about being 'bought' (although I am sure that goes on): it's the logic of the system.
Money-making has no country, no patriotism, and it never has.
If you knew people high in finance and industry, as I do, you would realise this. They always want more, and will do almost anything to get it. They believe they are insulated by their wealth from any possible damage to society as a whole. So far, they have been right about this assumption.
Moreover, the opening of China with its huge, relatively cheap, workforce with an initially low standard of living, and large exploitable coal reserves was essential to keep the whole debt-ridden show on the road.
Are you comfortable today, clothed, etc? It was quite simply built on the blood of the Chinese miners, and , of course, all the poor workers and miners in the rest of Asia and Africa.
I highly recommend Gail Tverberg's 'Our Finite World' blog for a straight forward explanation of China's crucial role in the whole system over the last few decades.
China seems to be doing the same to every government in the world as they meticulously plan their empire. They have certainly captured most agencies in the US as well as the President and his regime.
Thank you Henry Kissinger for convincing Richard Nixon to open China (NOT!).
Apologies for being selfish but it must be thrilling to be a citizen of a country that is up and coming, economically vibrant, ambitious, creative and lifting its poor out of poverty. It's not so thrilling to live in a country which has been sold to the international money men and now lingers, unaware, apathetic, inward looking and slip sliding into passivity.
Huw Edwards could have warned us had he not had other issues on his mind.
So sorry. The last three years have certainly strained relationships that we thought were rock solid. Please don't lose heart. It's our destiny to be just a little ahead of others in understanding the malign agenda. Hopefully, at least some will catch up but no guarantees. It seems that we each have our own journey during which we sometimes have the joy of meeting fellow travellers. Hope you feel proud of yourself for standing tall, trying to help others and sticking to your principles. Stay strong! xxx
Every one up for sale? I sometimes wonder at the MSM hype we get over the US v China - as the rumours are it isn't only Ukraine that funds the Biden family, China does too.
If you dig a little bit on the internet, you can easily find evidence of Chinese “payments” to the Biden family. I believe that Hunter Biden’s laptop also contains info on his ‘business’ dealings with China.
One thing seems to be missing from the conclusions presented in your summary (and I'd wager it is missing from the source too):
That allowing China to buy it's way into power was a conscious choice by the rulers and owners of the UK (and Germany and France and...), a choice made in the early 1990s.
Industry didn't have to move there, but by capitalist logic money trumps people and nation everyday.
Our nations didn't have to endorse and co-operate with China on China's terms, but it was more monetarily profitable to do so.
We all didn't have to adopt the neo-liberalist notions of capitalist-liberal democracy being an endpoint all states automatically strive for and will become if accepted as-is into the circuits of power.
But our leaders did. If you think and feel few people realise this today, now - imagine being someone who knew this in 1995.
This is what must happen when profit - greed - is made a virtue, and when the dogma of all peoples being equals is taken as true.
Agree with the premise - disagree with the timeline. In 1984, it was clear that the move to offshoring production to a nation that does not recognize international patents or copyrights, and does not subscribe to our so-called 'rule of law', would result in the effective transfer of ALL of our industrial intellectual property to that nation.
Anyone taking a British government report on Chinese activities at face value is beyond naive. There may be some elements of value there but it has to be filtered for exaggeration, distortion, and outright lies. China's intelligence services can only be ranked as the largest in the world by taking this view that they co-opt every Chinese citizen as needed. In practical terms they are far behind the reach and influence of both US and UK intelligence whose network of directly controlled assets in media, businesses, academia, and INGOs is vastly greater and far more influential than what China can access. Chinese real threat to Western intelligence is that they have been using soft power and direct investment to offer minor states an alternative to the heavy-handed and rigidly controlled development pathways that have heretofore been dominated by a small clique of wealthy states.
The Chinese government has numerous flaws worthy of criticism, but the goal of reports like this is purely to act as an alarmist call for escalatory action to curtail Chinese growth and minor infringement on areas which the West see as their domain, i.e. influencing resource rich developing states.
Utter tripe. The US and Israeli intelligence agencies are just as guilty of what China is being accused of. As for interference in elections do you know that no one can get elected to government at both the state and federal levels in America unless AIPAC, Israel's lobbyist gives them the okay and only after they swear fealty to Israel.
As for China being responsible for Covid how come the US military gave contracts to the labs in Ukraine months before the WHO even named the virus? Or that many people had some type of pneumonia 8 months before the outbreak in Wuhan. If Obama was so set against gain of function research why did he visit the lab in Wuhan in 2015 to check on the progress and outsource 400 bio weapon labs in numerous countries?
China may have been involved in many of the things listed here, but if you exclude every other country that does the same things then i question the agenda of whoever wrote this. Good lord I hope that the world isn’t going to have a China-gate debacle like we had the Russia gate during Trump that helped manufacture consent for war with Russia.
Quite right: 'the CCP is buying up everyone' is, I suspect, just another meme introduced to distract us.
Our own people are putting us down through the pandemic measures , the poison vaxxes, etc.
The move to population reduction and a digitised, total surveillance state, with the elimination of middle class businesses, 15 min cities, rationing of food and mobility, etc, is not a cunning Chinese plot, but a logical response to resource scarcity (see my comment above) and the symptoms of civilisational collapse.
Of course, it won't work, collapse is inevitable for entirely physical reasons. All complex systems eventually go..... poof!
You could be talking about Canada easily because it is as if there has been an explosion of Chinese Nationals here as if Canada has disappeared - snowflake by snowflake .
We have to balance the rhetoric of "china bad us good" where we have toppled sovereign governments through espionage in the last 50-100 years with great successes. I like the nuanced approach to the article about all the different aspects, but in all honesty this battle of attrition will move back and forth, will be stronger and weaker depending on the outcomes and incidents.
For us to worry about this, in my opinion, is pretty moot. We will continue to fight through our agencies, as will their counterparts, and I struggle to even see how our democracy can give us any control over this aspect of international espionage, as interesting as it all is (007 is successful for a reason).
China needs to prepare for Global Holodomor ... the purpose of what they are doing is to prevent mass riots as the final stages of extermination take place.
But China is not alone - all countries are putting in place control measures to prevent mass riots involving those who survive the die off from the Bossche Mutation.
It would be nice of them to block all social media to improve mental health and interpersonal interactions between people, rather than to swap the control of social media for control of state when it suits them. Skimmed parts of the linked article for this reply, sorry if i dont reply further, i block all notifications being the "social media hater" i am haha.
Another aspect which I didn't see mentioned is the fact China monitors and protects its borders. Western countries are oblivious to who, including Chinese, flows over their borders. Talk about making their job of infiltrating easy ......
Aren't the clowns who wasted taxpayer money churning out this garbage aware that China is THE role model for the Great Reset nwo launched by Britain's current monarch and signed up to by a goverrnment led by a WEF implant?
How I wish I could delve back into the BBC archives for HYS and bring up the quotes I made over 20 years ago when China was 'the place to do business' according to Western Governments. I said the problem is obvious. "China is in the business of politics and the West is in the politics of business" - and China will win easily. I should have gone into politics almost everything I said was to be avoided is proving to be exactly correct. Here's the latest Net Zero is insane, avoid it. Trans enthusiasts including those in the medical profession will be the centre of then next "Child abuse' scandal, and NO one should vote for any of the GreenPlaidSNPLibLabCons - do that and we will continue down the path to economic suicide and starvation.
Yup…anyone bitching about how successful China is should blame the governments that thought it was a bright idea to offshore factories and jobs to China just so the investors could have higher profits and pay employees less. Jim Kunstler has a great essay on the many cities that have been devastated after Clinton signed NAFTA.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
That, sadly, sums up much of modern (post war) history.
"It is nevertheless concerning that the security community, and the Government in general, were aware of many of these issues several years ago and yet we are only now beginning to see the introduction of measures taken to protect UK sovereign interests."
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Is your government as bought as ours?
It looks like it
"China will be the next guy's problem; I'll be rich and living in a countryside estate!"
It's really not about being 'bought' (although I am sure that goes on): it's the logic of the system.
Money-making has no country, no patriotism, and it never has.
If you knew people high in finance and industry, as I do, you would realise this. They always want more, and will do almost anything to get it. They believe they are insulated by their wealth from any possible damage to society as a whole. So far, they have been right about this assumption.
Moreover, the opening of China with its huge, relatively cheap, workforce with an initially low standard of living, and large exploitable coal reserves was essential to keep the whole debt-ridden show on the road.
Are you comfortable today, clothed, etc? It was quite simply built on the blood of the Chinese miners, and , of course, all the poor workers and miners in the rest of Asia and Africa.
I highly recommend Gail Tverberg's 'Our Finite World' blog for a straight forward explanation of China's crucial role in the whole system over the last few decades.
Quite simply, China had no need to bribe anyone.
China seems to be doing the same to every government in the world as they meticulously plan their empire. They have certainly captured most agencies in the US as well as the President and his regime.
Thank you Henry Kissinger for convincing Richard Nixon to open China (NOT!).
Swap out the word "China".
Insert whatever country you live in.
Surveilance, co-opting, state overreach.
China is just further along with it.
Apologies for being selfish but it must be thrilling to be a citizen of a country that is up and coming, economically vibrant, ambitious, creative and lifting its poor out of poverty. It's not so thrilling to live in a country which has been sold to the international money men and now lingers, unaware, apathetic, inward looking and slip sliding into passivity.
Huw Edwards could have warned us had he not had other issues on his mind.
They aren't lifting their people out of slavery however. Their people are enslaved to the CCP and it ain't pretty.
I agree.
However, slavery appears to be our future too - if not worse.
I agree, and no matter how hard I try and explain it to members of my family they say "it's boring" and refuse to listen. Sigh.
So sorry. The last three years have certainly strained relationships that we thought were rock solid. Please don't lose heart. It's our destiny to be just a little ahead of others in understanding the malign agenda. Hopefully, at least some will catch up but no guarantees. It seems that we each have our own journey during which we sometimes have the joy of meeting fellow travellers. Hope you feel proud of yourself for standing tall, trying to help others and sticking to your principles. Stay strong! xxx
Maybe give them a copy of Rod Dreher's Live not by Lies for Christmas
An Achilles heel perhaps...
How many politicians in governments around the world has China purchased?
Every one up for sale? I sometimes wonder at the MSM hype we get over the US v China - as the rumours are it isn't only Ukraine that funds the Biden family, China does too.
Every one up for sale? So, all of them?
They’re not rumors.
If you dig a little bit on the internet, you can easily find evidence of Chinese “payments” to the Biden family. I believe that Hunter Biden’s laptop also contains info on his ‘business’ dealings with China.
And it’s not just Hunter.
If interested please read:
https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/
One thing seems to be missing from the conclusions presented in your summary (and I'd wager it is missing from the source too):
That allowing China to buy it's way into power was a conscious choice by the rulers and owners of the UK (and Germany and France and...), a choice made in the early 1990s.
Industry didn't have to move there, but by capitalist logic money trumps people and nation everyday.
Our nations didn't have to endorse and co-operate with China on China's terms, but it was more monetarily profitable to do so.
We all didn't have to adopt the neo-liberalist notions of capitalist-liberal democracy being an endpoint all states automatically strive for and will become if accepted as-is into the circuits of power.
But our leaders did. If you think and feel few people realise this today, now - imagine being someone who knew this in 1995.
This is what must happen when profit - greed - is made a virtue, and when the dogma of all peoples being equals is taken as true.
Agree with the premise - disagree with the timeline. In 1984, it was clear that the move to offshoring production to a nation that does not recognize international patents or copyrights, and does not subscribe to our so-called 'rule of law', would result in the effective transfer of ALL of our industrial intellectual property to that nation.
I was right.
Anyone taking a British government report on Chinese activities at face value is beyond naive. There may be some elements of value there but it has to be filtered for exaggeration, distortion, and outright lies. China's intelligence services can only be ranked as the largest in the world by taking this view that they co-opt every Chinese citizen as needed. In practical terms they are far behind the reach and influence of both US and UK intelligence whose network of directly controlled assets in media, businesses, academia, and INGOs is vastly greater and far more influential than what China can access. Chinese real threat to Western intelligence is that they have been using soft power and direct investment to offer minor states an alternative to the heavy-handed and rigidly controlled development pathways that have heretofore been dominated by a small clique of wealthy states.
The Chinese government has numerous flaws worthy of criticism, but the goal of reports like this is purely to act as an alarmist call for escalatory action to curtail Chinese growth and minor infringement on areas which the West see as their domain, i.e. influencing resource rich developing states.
Then just take the elements of value.
Utter tripe. The US and Israeli intelligence agencies are just as guilty of what China is being accused of. As for interference in elections do you know that no one can get elected to government at both the state and federal levels in America unless AIPAC, Israel's lobbyist gives them the okay and only after they swear fealty to Israel.
As for China being responsible for Covid how come the US military gave contracts to the labs in Ukraine months before the WHO even named the virus? Or that many people had some type of pneumonia 8 months before the outbreak in Wuhan. If Obama was so set against gain of function research why did he visit the lab in Wuhan in 2015 to check on the progress and outsource 400 bio weapon labs in numerous countries?
China may have been involved in many of the things listed here, but if you exclude every other country that does the same things then i question the agenda of whoever wrote this. Good lord I hope that the world isn’t going to have a China-gate debacle like we had the Russia gate during Trump that helped manufacture consent for war with Russia.
Yep, I didn't focus too much on the Covid section because it was clearly just following the narrative.
Agreed about China-gate but silly to ignore some of the issues, they're not exactly a utopian state.
Quite right: 'the CCP is buying up everyone' is, I suspect, just another meme introduced to distract us.
Our own people are putting us down through the pandemic measures , the poison vaxxes, etc.
The move to population reduction and a digitised, total surveillance state, with the elimination of middle class businesses, 15 min cities, rationing of food and mobility, etc, is not a cunning Chinese plot, but a logical response to resource scarcity (see my comment above) and the symptoms of civilisational collapse.
Of course, it won't work, collapse is inevitable for entirely physical reasons. All complex systems eventually go..... poof!
You could be talking about Canada easily because it is as if there has been an explosion of Chinese Nationals here as if Canada has disappeared - snowflake by snowflake .
We have to balance the rhetoric of "china bad us good" where we have toppled sovereign governments through espionage in the last 50-100 years with great successes. I like the nuanced approach to the article about all the different aspects, but in all honesty this battle of attrition will move back and forth, will be stronger and weaker depending on the outcomes and incidents.
For us to worry about this, in my opinion, is pretty moot. We will continue to fight through our agencies, as will their counterparts, and I struggle to even see how our democracy can give us any control over this aspect of international espionage, as interesting as it all is (007 is successful for a reason).
China needs to prepare for Global Holodomor ... the purpose of what they are doing is to prevent mass riots as the final stages of extermination take place.
But China is not alone - all countries are putting in place control measures to prevent mass riots involving those who survive the die off from the Bossche Mutation.
What they want is to prevent violence...
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/new-eu-digital-commissioner-is-threatening
It would be nice of them to block all social media to improve mental health and interpersonal interactions between people, rather than to swap the control of social media for control of state when it suits them. Skimmed parts of the linked article for this reply, sorry if i dont reply further, i block all notifications being the "social media hater" i am haha.
Social media is poison ... just like tee vee...
Another aspect which I didn't see mentioned is the fact China monitors and protects its borders. Western countries are oblivious to who, including Chinese, flows over their borders. Talk about making their job of infiltrating easy ......
Aren't the clowns who wasted taxpayer money churning out this garbage aware that China is THE role model for the Great Reset nwo launched by Britain's current monarch and signed up to by a goverrnment led by a WEF implant?
Honestly!
Without Inflation, the Status Quo Collapses; With Hot Inflation, It Also Collapses
Eventually policy-makers turn the dials to 11 and nothing happens.
https://charleshughsmith.substack.com/p/without-inflation-the-status-quo?nthPub=821
They continue to turn the dial... and inflation is not stopping....