Jul 17, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
Interesting results. They make sense, though. The goats that don't just do as they're told and follow the herd, might be expected to be introverts (used to acting alone), thinkers (used to using their reason rather than being pulled along by emotions), and intuitives (used to reading between the lines and inferring things based on hunches).
As an aside, I clicked only on the poll with my type, despite my desire to see the results. You're welcome.
Jul 17, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
INTP here, or at least that's what it said this time. Every time I take that test, the I and T remain the same, and the second and fourth elements wobble-- N/S, and P/J depending on what mood I'm in or something. I don't think the test is particularly useful for anything but the I/E split.
It seems fair to conclude that your readers are skewed toward people able to resist peer pressure, and introverts are overrepresented in this group. Extroverts care more about what the people around them think, and about their own image.
The N: It's being able to read between the lines, and think about the future. Your readers are above average on being able to smell the BS the media has been extruding, and wonder what it implies for the long term.
I'm INTP and I only tested as INFP once, the first time I took the test and I was emotionally in a different place and overtaken by Demon Fi and I needed to get on ADHD meds. I'm certain my twin sister who I haven't been allowed to see in years is INFP though.
Jul 17, 2022·edited Jul 17, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
Thank you for conducting this fascinating experiment! I retested myself before answering your survey and confirmed that I am INTJ, and it makes perfect sense that this type would not only be the one most likely to spot fraud, lies, corruption, and coercion but also would be more inclined to call it out, which explains the disproportionate representation of INTJs in the truth/freedom/justice movement.
The Powerful, Dominating Type: Self-Confident, Decisive, Willful, and Confrontational
Type Eight in Brief
Eights are self-confident, strong, and assertive. Protective, resourceful, straight-talking, and decisive, but can also be ego-centric and domineering. Eights feel they must control their environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Eights typically have problems with their tempers and with allowing themselves to be vulnerable. At their Best: self- mastering, they use their strength to improve others' lives, becoming heroic, magnanimous, and inspiring.
Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others
Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life and destiny)
Key Motivations: Want to be self-reliant, to prove their strength and resist weakness, to be important in their world, to dominate the environment, and to stay in control of their situation.
I think INTJs are as highly likely to be diehard vaxxoholic as they are to being diehard anti-vax or anti-mRNA vax or anti-tyranny. The introverted intuition sucks them deep down one rabbit hole or another while the extroverted intuition of Perceivers (like Steve Kirsch, pretty sure he is INTP or ENTP) makes them more open minded to changing their views from one way to another.
No that is not true. Being an INTJ myself I am always looking for feedback loops to make sure I'm still "on the rails". Science is based on the scientific method which does NOT have "follow, trust, believe" in it. What is in it are two words: falsifiability and reproducibility. That comes down to predictions and that gate swings both ways. You must state what outcomes would prove you correct AND incorrect.
When people ask me what would it take to change my mind I tell them "Prove that going up to cycle threshold 45 with the PCR test is valid". The levels are well known and even Fauci admitted that "anything over 35 is probably just a viral fragment". The court systems in most countries only allow 25 cycles so they got it correct. Why can't medicine use the technology correctly.
I think it depends on whether you're highly attuned to the subject or not. I see Ni users like Richard Spencer (he seems like an INFJ like Hitler to me) who questions all sorts of things in ways that even piss people off in all sorts of subjects, even physics apparently despite being a humanities major, yet he never seems to question whether the vaccine might be effective or not. Maybe because he's emotionally manipulated to simp for it to piss the conservatives off. Just as how he was emotionally manipulated into supporting Trump before turning on him to the point of totally despising him.
As an INTP I try not to let any sort of emotional manipulation affect my thinking and this causes people to think I'm a right winger or a crazy Woke person or whatever just for playing devil's advocate a bit and giving them the benefit of the doubt. The one time I really let my emotions get the better of me was about a decade ago when I was hating on scibrats, which is a word I invented to describe stupid little bimbos and whores who win science pageants because of having Dr. Mommy and Daddy do their science projects for them so they can get into Harvard or Caltech and cheat their way through and attain advanced positions in academia and corporations and what have you and one of these days they are going to destroy civilization with their stupidity. As it turns out my burning raging hatred of them was justified and they are collapsing civilization sooner than I thought. So I'm trying not to have a big head over being so gloriously vindicated.
Jul 17, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
I knew a guy once who had his type profile for his license plate. I have used the meyers-briggs many times in my work as an organizational consultant. for team building, communications/interpersonal skills training etc. for more serious work, like selecting leaders, I much prefer the Five Factor Model, aka Big 5. It has way more research behind it in terms of what it actually predicts. both have a place and this is a great application and very interesting. in case you're interested, the Big 5 can be found for free at https://www.outofservice.com/bigfive/.
I don't like that Big 5. It's as if you removed the inhibition, intuition and insight; what you become after 36 hours of sleeplessness or when backed into a corner or when provoked persistently. Though it might be more useful when you need to be able to predict the worst in people for as you describe, "serious work."
Jul 18, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
I’m a rare female INTJ, and I’ve always understood this personality type to be a truth seeker. Being right is incredibly important to me, and I’ll always speak up, no matter how unpalatable or inconvenient that truth might be (even when I know it is to my detriment). Which pretty much sums up my whole approach to the shitshow of the past 2+ years.
Jul 17, 2022·edited Jul 18, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
WRT: " Readers here are more likely to be intuitive and therefore be more likely to spot patterns"
It depends what the pattern is. As an INFP, my auxiliary function, extraverted intuition (Ne) is adept at spotting/adapting to/playing with patterns in the outside world pertaining to ideas, concepts, etc.
However, I am at a decided disadvantage when it comes to doing the same with patterns pertaining to sensory data. The analogous function there is extraverted sensation (Se).
To give two examples, boxers par excellence Floyd Mayweather (ESFP) and Terrence Crawford (ISTP) were/are brilliant at observing their opponents in the early parts of fights, changing their own boxing styles to adapt to their opponents, and win fights going away that had--in the early rounds--seemed very competitive.
I once worked on a construction/demolition gig with an ISTP who had a remarkable untrained ability to "know" exactly how structures would fall when we removed supporting beams/walls. I couldn't do that.
Jul 18, 2022Liked by NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter
Sorry, me again.
I was pondering on all this & wondering whether the number of respondents to your poll was a large enough sample to be as meaningful as it seems. Arguably not - realistically.
And then it occurred to me that the numbers are a similar order of magnitude to the participants in the 12-15 Pfizer trial, upon which basis millions of kids were subsequently injected with an experimental drug.
Very sardonically, but I laughed out loud. It would be farcical if it wasn’t so shocking & serious.
Outlier here: ISFJ/Defender (4%) & 2-dose vaxxed (4%). As a retired RN, I followed the C-19 story daily from the outset seeking information about prevention & early treatment. In 50 yrs of nursing, there's never been a condition We didn't try to "nip in the bud" or prevent from happening. I listened to Dr Kory's live address R Johnson's Congressional Hearing Dec 8th 2020. Starting in January'21, I made FLCC Protocol packets which I handed out to any and everyone who would listen. Some of us found reliable sources to purchase protocol medicine and gave it away to anyone asking. Our little band prevented countless hospitalizations and people got better in days.
Early on, I had decided to volunteer for any vaccine trials. At 70, why not? I hoped do my part of determining safety and efficacy. That was really before the tyrannical mandates.
Despite my introvert disposition, I remain committed to any and all advocacy and education I can impart in day-to-day encounters with people. I encourage prevention and early treatment & discourage the vaccines now. I find it works a little better to look for cognitive dissonance chinks and provide source materials for further consideration including how to detox post-vax. There are those with long Covid who need advocacy support as they work to return to healthy lives either after the illness from vax injury.
I'm pragmatic, not at all academic, so I am most thankful for Substack writers who provide a wealth of information to help me help others and tip my hat to this whole community.
I didn’t see the post for a survey or I would have taken it. Make of this what you will as I put myself down for these categories as described: Introvert, Intuitive, Thinker, Perceiver (INTP - Logician). (Not vaxxed, and believed sometime in March 2020 COVID was all a scam).
Thanks so much for this. I am INFP with 0 spikeshots and also did not vaccinate my kids born in the 1980s. I have 4 years of jungian training. I did research on the courageous personality. I posit we have internal locus of control vs external locks of control - meaning we are less susceptible to external pressures and conformity. Also lower on hypnotic susceptibility (Tellegen absorption scale) and monitors rather than blunders, sensitizers rather than repressors in wanting information. And more. I will write it up eventually.
I have also questioned authority - but was more shy and meek. I also thought because my parents were thankfully permissive so I never respected illegitimate authority. I think also as INFP we feel/intuit things that are fake. My research was on people who take risks for truth and justice, inspired by Dan Ellsberg - including whistleblowers, human rights activists. I will write about it. I presented in the Netherlands I think around 1999 and Alice mIller came to my presentation and told me to emphasize about not being punished in childhood. I will writ it up, maybe next month - I still write very slowly.
I know two infps. One vaxxed her whole family, the other sees everything and won’t allow anything near her family..also shy and meek and definitely fits your above description.
This is so interesting. Thanks for doing this. I’ve always been an extrovert and the hardest thing I’ve endured is throughout all this is the ostracism of my friendship groups. I guess that’s a pretty powerful tool - it makes us so easy to control. Thankfully my husband is an introvert and has never cared what anyone thinks . When I answered the questions I realised I have become more introverted over the last two years!
P.s. If you run this again, which I hope you do, I think it would be helpful to have an additional “vaccinated under duress” button. I held out a long time before my (only) dose. I did not need or want that shot. I succumbed in the end to the pressure so as to get everyone off my back, and regret it bitterly! I’ve maintained willpower in respect of the second dose though, despite the significant logistical difficulties it has presented with travelling and social stigma.
Yes! My husband, who is an introvert was much more sceptical at the beginning but caved into two jabs because his mum badgered him. I'm still unjabbed!
Very interesting. Thanks for doing the poll and sharing it.
I've done that test before, but I had no memory of my type. I did it again, and I am a number 2. This was telling, right?
The extroverts are not the ones spending hours down the rabbit holes.
Thanks for this...
It's also more painful for them to be left out of the tribe.
Excellent point!
Interesting results. They make sense, though. The goats that don't just do as they're told and follow the herd, might be expected to be introverts (used to acting alone), thinkers (used to using their reason rather than being pulled along by emotions), and intuitives (used to reading between the lines and inferring things based on hunches).
As an aside, I clicked only on the poll with my type, despite my desire to see the results. You're welcome.
INTP here, or at least that's what it said this time. Every time I take that test, the I and T remain the same, and the second and fourth elements wobble-- N/S, and P/J depending on what mood I'm in or something. I don't think the test is particularly useful for anything but the I/E split.
It seems fair to conclude that your readers are skewed toward people able to resist peer pressure, and introverts are overrepresented in this group. Extroverts care more about what the people around them think, and about their own image.
The N: It's being able to read between the lines, and think about the future. Your readers are above average on being able to smell the BS the media has been extruding, and wonder what it implies for the long term.
Also INTP here. At least that's what the tests say pretty consistently.
I'm full scale I, N, T, but sometimes to switch to J instead of P depending on my moods as well.
I'm INTP and I only tested as INFP once, the first time I took the test and I was emotionally in a different place and overtaken by Demon Fi and I needed to get on ADHD meds. I'm certain my twin sister who I haven't been allowed to see in years is INFP though.
Very weird I took this test before and always had INTJ. And now suddenly it flipped to ENTJ!?
I flip between the two as well. I guess it depends on the day and whether you're pissed off enough at the world to feel like shouting that day.
infj rule!
Same :)
Thank you for conducting this fascinating experiment! I retested myself before answering your survey and confirmed that I am INTJ, and it makes perfect sense that this type would not only be the one most likely to spot fraud, lies, corruption, and coercion but also would be more inclined to call it out, which explains the disproportionate representation of INTJs in the truth/freedom/justice movement.
INTJ is broken up into nine types (https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/2020/02/28/your-intj-personality-type-and-your-enneagram-type/), so it would be interesting to conduct a followup survey of the INTJs to see which type they fall under. I suspect most will be Type 8, like me, which is the Challenger.
Here’s the description from the Enneagram website (https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-8):
8: THE CHALLENGER
The Powerful, Dominating Type: Self-Confident, Decisive, Willful, and Confrontational
Type Eight in Brief
Eights are self-confident, strong, and assertive. Protective, resourceful, straight-talking, and decisive, but can also be ego-centric and domineering. Eights feel they must control their environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Eights typically have problems with their tempers and with allowing themselves to be vulnerable. At their Best: self- mastering, they use their strength to improve others' lives, becoming heroic, magnanimous, and inspiring.
Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others
Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life and destiny)
Key Motivations: Want to be self-reliant, to prove their strength and resist weakness, to be important in their world, to dominate the environment, and to stay in control of their situation.
It spit out a 5 for me.
At another substack a few days ago, a commenter linked to this article, which I thought was interesting: https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2015/04/programmed-to-ignore/
Another 5 here! Added together, we beat Maggie Ann's 8 hands down. 🤓
😆
Typical conversation with MAA the INTJ:
Me- Nunh Unh
Her- Yunh Hunh
Me- Nunh Unh
Her- Yunh Hunh
Me- Wanna take over the world?
Her- Yeah sure.
🤣
This looks intriguing—thanks for the link, fellow INTJ!
I think INTJs are as highly likely to be diehard vaxxoholic as they are to being diehard anti-vax or anti-mRNA vax or anti-tyranny. The introverted intuition sucks them deep down one rabbit hole or another while the extroverted intuition of Perceivers (like Steve Kirsch, pretty sure he is INTP or ENTP) makes them more open minded to changing their views from one way to another.
No that is not true. Being an INTJ myself I am always looking for feedback loops to make sure I'm still "on the rails". Science is based on the scientific method which does NOT have "follow, trust, believe" in it. What is in it are two words: falsifiability and reproducibility. That comes down to predictions and that gate swings both ways. You must state what outcomes would prove you correct AND incorrect.
When people ask me what would it take to change my mind I tell them "Prove that going up to cycle threshold 45 with the PCR test is valid". The levels are well known and even Fauci admitted that "anything over 35 is probably just a viral fragment". The court systems in most countries only allow 25 cycles so they got it correct. Why can't medicine use the technology correctly.
I think it depends on whether you're highly attuned to the subject or not. I see Ni users like Richard Spencer (he seems like an INFJ like Hitler to me) who questions all sorts of things in ways that even piss people off in all sorts of subjects, even physics apparently despite being a humanities major, yet he never seems to question whether the vaccine might be effective or not. Maybe because he's emotionally manipulated to simp for it to piss the conservatives off. Just as how he was emotionally manipulated into supporting Trump before turning on him to the point of totally despising him.
As an INTP I try not to let any sort of emotional manipulation affect my thinking and this causes people to think I'm a right winger or a crazy Woke person or whatever just for playing devil's advocate a bit and giving them the benefit of the doubt. The one time I really let my emotions get the better of me was about a decade ago when I was hating on scibrats, which is a word I invented to describe stupid little bimbos and whores who win science pageants because of having Dr. Mommy and Daddy do their science projects for them so they can get into Harvard or Caltech and cheat their way through and attain advanced positions in academia and corporations and what have you and one of these days they are going to destroy civilization with their stupidity. As it turns out my burning raging hatred of them was justified and they are collapsing civilization sooner than I thought. So I'm trying not to have a big head over being so gloriously vindicated.
I knew a guy once who had his type profile for his license plate. I have used the meyers-briggs many times in my work as an organizational consultant. for team building, communications/interpersonal skills training etc. for more serious work, like selecting leaders, I much prefer the Five Factor Model, aka Big 5. It has way more research behind it in terms of what it actually predicts. both have a place and this is a great application and very interesting. in case you're interested, the Big 5 can be found for free at https://www.outofservice.com/bigfive/.
I don't like that Big 5. It's as if you removed the inhibition, intuition and insight; what you become after 36 hours of sleeplessness or when backed into a corner or when provoked persistently. Though it might be more useful when you need to be able to predict the worst in people for as you describe, "serious work."
I would be interested in a big 5 survey of readers too.
I’m a rare female INTJ, and I’ve always understood this personality type to be a truth seeker. Being right is incredibly important to me, and I’ll always speak up, no matter how unpalatable or inconvenient that truth might be (even when I know it is to my detriment). Which pretty much sums up my whole approach to the shitshow of the past 2+ years.
WRT: " Readers here are more likely to be intuitive and therefore be more likely to spot patterns"
It depends what the pattern is. As an INFP, my auxiliary function, extraverted intuition (Ne) is adept at spotting/adapting to/playing with patterns in the outside world pertaining to ideas, concepts, etc.
However, I am at a decided disadvantage when it comes to doing the same with patterns pertaining to sensory data. The analogous function there is extraverted sensation (Se).
To give two examples, boxers par excellence Floyd Mayweather (ESFP) and Terrence Crawford (ISTP) were/are brilliant at observing their opponents in the early parts of fights, changing their own boxing styles to adapt to their opponents, and win fights going away that had--in the early rounds--seemed very competitive.
I once worked on a construction/demolition gig with an ISTP who had a remarkable untrained ability to "know" exactly how structures would fall when we removed supporting beams/walls. I couldn't do that.
👊👊💗fellow INFP here
Add one more INTJ to the results!
Sorry, me again.
I was pondering on all this & wondering whether the number of respondents to your poll was a large enough sample to be as meaningful as it seems. Arguably not - realistically.
And then it occurred to me that the numbers are a similar order of magnitude to the participants in the 12-15 Pfizer trial, upon which basis millions of kids were subsequently injected with an experimental drug.
Very sardonically, but I laughed out loud. It would be farcical if it wasn’t so shocking & serious.
Outlier here: ISFJ/Defender (4%) & 2-dose vaxxed (4%). As a retired RN, I followed the C-19 story daily from the outset seeking information about prevention & early treatment. In 50 yrs of nursing, there's never been a condition We didn't try to "nip in the bud" or prevent from happening. I listened to Dr Kory's live address R Johnson's Congressional Hearing Dec 8th 2020. Starting in January'21, I made FLCC Protocol packets which I handed out to any and everyone who would listen. Some of us found reliable sources to purchase protocol medicine and gave it away to anyone asking. Our little band prevented countless hospitalizations and people got better in days.
Early on, I had decided to volunteer for any vaccine trials. At 70, why not? I hoped do my part of determining safety and efficacy. That was really before the tyrannical mandates.
Despite my introvert disposition, I remain committed to any and all advocacy and education I can impart in day-to-day encounters with people. I encourage prevention and early treatment & discourage the vaccines now. I find it works a little better to look for cognitive dissonance chinks and provide source materials for further consideration including how to detox post-vax. There are those with long Covid who need advocacy support as they work to return to healthy lives either after the illness from vax injury.
I'm pragmatic, not at all academic, so I am most thankful for Substack writers who provide a wealth of information to help me help others and tip my hat to this whole community.
I didn’t see the post for a survey or I would have taken it. Make of this what you will as I put myself down for these categories as described: Introvert, Intuitive, Thinker, Perceiver (INTP - Logician). (Not vaxxed, and believed sometime in March 2020 COVID was all a scam).
Me neither, and same but infj
Thanks so much for this. I am INFP with 0 spikeshots and also did not vaccinate my kids born in the 1980s. I have 4 years of jungian training. I did research on the courageous personality. I posit we have internal locus of control vs external locks of control - meaning we are less susceptible to external pressures and conformity. Also lower on hypnotic susceptibility (Tellegen absorption scale) and monitors rather than blunders, sensitizers rather than repressors in wanting information. And more. I will write it up eventually.
Have questioned authority my whole life
Interested in hearing more as an INFP here
I have also questioned authority - but was more shy and meek. I also thought because my parents were thankfully permissive so I never respected illegitimate authority. I think also as INFP we feel/intuit things that are fake. My research was on people who take risks for truth and justice, inspired by Dan Ellsberg - including whistleblowers, human rights activists. I will write about it. I presented in the Netherlands I think around 1999 and Alice mIller came to my presentation and told me to emphasize about not being punished in childhood. I will writ it up, maybe next month - I still write very slowly.
Ooohh I’d be very interested to read this :)
I know two infps. One vaxxed her whole family, the other sees everything and won’t allow anything near her family..also shy and meek and definitely fits your above description.
Thank you, looking forward to it. 💗
This is so interesting. Thanks for doing this. I’ve always been an extrovert and the hardest thing I’ve endured is throughout all this is the ostracism of my friendship groups. I guess that’s a pretty powerful tool - it makes us so easy to control. Thankfully my husband is an introvert and has never cared what anyone thinks . When I answered the questions I realised I have become more introverted over the last two years!
P.s. If you run this again, which I hope you do, I think it would be helpful to have an additional “vaccinated under duress” button. I held out a long time before my (only) dose. I did not need or want that shot. I succumbed in the end to the pressure so as to get everyone off my back, and regret it bitterly! I’ve maintained willpower in respect of the second dose though, despite the significant logistical difficulties it has presented with travelling and social stigma.
Yes! My husband, who is an introvert was much more sceptical at the beginning but caved into two jabs because his mum badgered him. I'm still unjabbed!